Submitted by mariana (United States), Apr 4, 2007 at 17:03
mariana 4/4/07
To Fred Schlomka: Your "Middle Eastern" Construct is clear. Forgive me if "I pass."
Mr. Fred: Thank you for your offer to "google you;" I will graciously decline, preferring this particular, comfortable venue. We have gotten far afield of Daniel's Testimony on Israel-Palestine relations; but, maybe not. If the number of Israeli's feeling as you do is significant, then Israel is lost, and those Kadima morons ruining Israel might as well close up shop and start giving out plane tickets to Israel's modern Jews, so they can emigrate to some other modern, 1st world, democratic, Hi-Tech, 21st Century society.
Now that I understand, clearly, what you mean by "being Middle Eastern," it seems to me that you DO believe that you are "a special Jew" and that you will, some where down the line, be "treated differently" by the lunatic mobs lusting for Israel [if the "Palestinian Arabs" or "Israeli Arabs" also, from the sound of their proposed "Constitution"] were permitted to do so.
Your reference to the "Crusades" I will not discuss here at all, because clearly, your use of the word "Crusades," was meant to deliberately inflame, and I'm not interested in playing that game.
Your characterization of life in America is amazingly twisted; as probably, is your PollyAnna view of the results your Rise and World take-over by "Middle Eastern Values," would accomplish. You've maligned, mis-characterized and scorned all of Western Civilization and the Enlightenment one way or another, craving the "Civilization" centuries before even the Italian Renaissance. Sounds about like the kind of "civilization" the UN Overlords administered, any place they go.
That your Joys of Utopian Life under a[n Enlightened?] Caliphate refers, at best to a very tiny Elite consisting of less than 5% of the Worlds population at the time [of course, you'll be part of that 5%], with most humans held as "subjects," tenant farmers or in serfdom at best, is also amazing. Or will these benign Muslims run the game differently this time? Yes, you have to use the words Muslim/Islam [not just Middle Eastern] because Muslims constitute 220 Millions, and many of them live under Sharia. How many Hundreds of Thousands of the 220 Million Arab Muslims in the Middle East live well today under "Enlightened Middle Easterners??" Or is it just a few Tens of Thousands? And how many manage to eek out a meagre existence, at best, under the fiat of tyrannical princes or thugs? And how to you see the NEW CALIPHATE operating?
That your criticism of America required you to go back to the Slavery practiced during American Revolutionary and Civil Wars [without mentioning either that Slavery was practiced worldwide at that time or that the Civil War - under Republican American President Abraham Lincoln - was fought mid 19th Century, largely to end the SLAVERY which bothered you so much in America], is also interesting. A lot of white American boys [including Jews] fought and lost their lives and limbs in that war. The SLAVERY going on TODAY, all over the Middle East you've idealized and all over Muslim parts of Africa and Asia, apparently, BOTHERS YOU NOT AT ALL!
If that EastCoast US City you lived in was NY, it was certainly before NYC Republican Mayor Rudi Giuliani battled the inbred Lib/Democrat entrenched city government, police, schools, and mentality, and made the "welfare city" into a desirable place to live [also helped by 22 tax cuts during those 8 years]. Enforcing Laws, putting dangerous, anti-social animals in jail or killing them works "on the E. Coast of the US;" just as IDF, Mossad & Shin Bet make it work in one small corner of the Middle East.
Oh, Mr. Fred. It's a lovely dream world you live in: Just like the "1001 Arabian Nights" Sir Richard Burton chronicled. It's nice to create a Construct, label it, declare it's extant or will be, and then, not only insist it's where you live, but essentially foist it upon everyone else in your "Vision of the Future."
Whatever you're smoking, I'd like some. I have my own Construct that I'd like to move Everyone in the World into. This I guarantee. YOU and your children would have considerably more: personal Liberty, Freedom of Religion, Civil & Voting Rights, and Freedom of movement and action - in MY Construct, than I and mine would have in Yours. Ours is "One Nation, Under G*d," with Our Rights Descended to Each Individual from G*d and not from the State, Princes, Kings, Thugs or Caliphs.
We've reached an impasse. There is no point continuing because you are from Venus, and I am from Mars. Be well. mariana
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"sustained and systematic effort to alter a bellicose mentality" [w/response] [111 words] | David Bakin | Jun 5, 2007 15:05 |
Dr Pipes changing tone.. [w/response] [112 words] | Harrak | Apr 16, 2007 21:01 |
| ↔ Thanks Dr Pipes [10 words] | Harrak | Apr 17, 2007 21:25 |
| Jaw-dropper [86 words] | Mark Roth | Apr 13, 2007 07:54 |
| Martin Indyk and Dennis Ross are badly misinformed and a real danger to Israeli Jews [152 words] | Kenneth Besig | Mar 18, 2007 02:48 |
| ↔ Agree with Kenneth Besig's calibration re: Ross v Indyk; however... [597 words] | mariana | Mar 19, 2007 22:28 |
| Is It Time Yet? [367 words] | Ron Thompson | Mar 17, 2007 19:39 |
| Hearings on Israeli-Palestinian "Progress" [23 words] | Herb Jurist | Mar 16, 2007 23:10 |
| Pipes subcommittee comments [141 words] | Dean | Mar 16, 2007 22:52 |
| House subcommittee hearing [45 words] | Steven L | Mar 16, 2007 17:23 |
| Will this fairy tale never end? [187 words] | DrRJP | Mar 5, 2007 18:02 |
| ↔ Middle East Experts [152 words] | Davod | Mar 12, 2007 05:06 |
| Mysterious and Unique Logic? [184 words] | Dean Kitnick | Feb 26, 2007 19:54 |
Re your position toward the Israeli-Palestinian conflict [w/response] [68 words] | Gabriel Rinzler | Feb 25, 2007 21:02 |
| ↔ Let the Arabs rot... [304 words] | Linda Moore | Feb 26, 2007 12:17 |
| ↔ "Let the Arabs Rot" by Linda [245 words] | Fred Schlomka | Feb 28, 2007 11:18 |
| ↔ OK, rot or prosper, I don't care which [194 words] | Linda Moore | Feb 28, 2007 17:47 |
| ↔ Rot or Prosper continued [172 words] | Fred Schlomka | Mar 1, 2007 00:08 |
| ↔ I find it hard to believe you are Israeli - all of your hostility is directed at Israel [310 words] | Linda Moore | Mar 1, 2007 17:44 |
| ↔ There are many types of Israelis. We are no more homogenious than people in the USA [283 words] | Fred Schlomka | Mar 2, 2007 09:35 |
| ↔ Litmus test is dangerous to Antisemites [66 words] | De | Mar 2, 2007 17:33 |
| ↔ Visit this site... [143 words] | Linda Moore | Mar 2, 2007 19:05 |
| ↔ Of Maps and fatalities [454 words] | Fred Schlomka | Mar 4, 2007 05:14 |
| ↔ To: Fred Schlomka, Incredible. "You just can't make it up!" [454 words] | mariana | Mar 19, 2007 20:41 |
| ↔ To Daniel and Gabriel: on "Winning" [522 words] | mariana | Mar 20, 2007 00:49 |
| ↔ to Mariana [100 words] | AS | Mar 22, 2007 00:38 |
| ↔ Fred Schlomka: -Israeli leftist- Is there a difference? [87 words] | Mr. Shawarma | Mar 27, 2007 23:46 |
| ↔ Boorish title from Mr. Shawamra [192 words] | Fred Schlomka | Mar 29, 2007 04:11 |
| ↔ To Mariana from an israeli [461 words] | Fred Schlomka | Mar 29, 2007 16:26 |
| ↔ I applaud those whom you and Jonathan Cook refer to as "thugs" and yes, Jew hater = Ashkenazi Leftist [402 words] | Mr.Shawarma | Mar 29, 2007 17:05 |
| ↔ attack by Shawamra [197 words] | Fred Schlomka | Mar 31, 2007 02:30 |
| ↔ Fred Schlomka's comments [319 words] | Mr. Shawarma | Mar 31, 2007 17:30 |
| ↔ To: Fred Schlomka: on "armchairs and nonsense." [1572 words] | mariana | Apr 1, 2007 12:50 |
| ↔ some comments for Mariana [878 words] | Fred Schlomka | Apr 2, 2007 04:32 |
| ↔ To: AS: This is an ISLAM vs EVERYONE ELSE issue [943 words] | mariana | Apr 2, 2007 11:38 |
| ↔ ⇒ To Fred Schlomka: Your "Middle Eastern" Construct is clear. Forgive me if "I pass." [776 words] | mariana | Apr 4, 2007 17:03 |
| ↔ Fred Schlomka - Hill Top Youth comments verified [40 words] | Fred Schlomka | Dec 3, 2008 03:41 |
WHICH PUBLICATIONS? [w/response] [21 words] | Mike Davis | Feb 25, 2007 20:28 |
| War of Wills [455 words] | Oliver | Feb 25, 2007 17:47 |
| Negotiation is valuable, even if you believe it won't bring peace [277 words] | Erik Nelson | Feb 25, 2007 17:23 |
| ↔ Illumination [297 words] | Felipe Ornelas | Mar 1, 2007 18:47 |
| ↔ Chamberlain negotiated at Munich... [149 words] | Dean | Mar 16, 2007 23:24 |
| Biological [126 words] | Don Hedeman | Feb 25, 2007 17:09 |
| ↔ ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.. [186 words] | DONVAN | Mar 20, 2007 16:01 |
| ↔ To Donvan: Interesting; would you expand. [152 words] | mariana | Apr 2, 2007 11:55 |
| ↔ It is not academic.. [174 words] | DONVAN | Apr 3, 2007 10:32 |
| An unlikely negotiation [289 words] | Melvyn Rosenstein | Feb 25, 2007 15:29 |
| re "Arab & Muslim World." [160 words] | Jascha Kessler | Feb 25, 2007 15:27 |
| ↔ history and the arab and islamic world [87 words] | rodney allsworth | Feb 25, 2007 22:36 |
Reaction to Pipes, Indyk, Makovsky Congressional Testimony [w/response] [187 words] | Martin Kaufman | Feb 25, 2007 10:08 |
| The Good Old Gulag Days. [42 words] | Lee | Feb 25, 2007 09:35 |
| Apology for not making it with my big Speed Graphic camera [233 words] | Dan Schwartz | Feb 25, 2007 08:43 |
Re House Subcommittee on Israeli -Palestinian Nego... [w/response] [26 words] | david levy | Feb 25, 2007 06:20 |
| consider this... [140 words] | Joshua | Feb 22, 2007 00:05 |
| ↔ RE: Great debate [279 words] | Donald Grant Cheesman | Feb 25, 2007 18:57 |
"OH NO!" "DON'T SAY IT!" But ... "BRAVO!" [w/response] [1378 words] | Sofa Sogood | Feb 21, 2007 16:53 |
| Peace or Genocide [184 words] | Felipe Ornelas | Feb 20, 2007 12:18 |
| Hate to disagree with you but I do. [105 words] | Peter | Feb 20, 2007 11:12 |
| ↔ Hate to disagree with your disagreement, but I do [106 words] | Dean Kitnick | Feb 20, 2007 18:28 |
| ↔ No dean, you have misunderstood ... [128 words] | Peter | Feb 21, 2007 23:11 |
| ↔ No misunderstanding, I just think you're wrong. [86 words] | Dean Kitnick | Feb 22, 2007 20:08 |
| ↔ I agree with Peter [51 words] | Irish Savant | Feb 25, 2007 07:10 |
| ↔ Reality Check [219 words] | Larry | Feb 25, 2007 09:38 |
| ↔ Some things are non-negotiable [106 words] | Zerubbabel | Feb 25, 2007 10:17 |
| ↔ Actually you needn't wonder. My comments stand on their face. [166 words] | Peter | Feb 25, 2007 15:30 |
| ↔ Furthermore [69 words] | Peter | Feb 25, 2007 15:36 |
| ↔ The genocide gene evolves [258 words] | Aron | Feb 25, 2007 19:00 |
| ↔ Why elevate Israel legitimacy to a debate? [59 words] | Jake | Feb 26, 2007 11:42 |
| ↔ Subcommittee Investigations [435 words] | Michael | Mar 3, 2007 12:55 |