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Reader comment on item: My Testimony before the House Subcommittee on Israeli-Palestinian Negotiations
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Submitted by mariana (United States), Apr 2, 2007 at 11:38

Thank you for your kind words. Your comments on the lack of solutions or constructive options by the Left, are exactly right; there's also a mandatory forced amnesia required to be a "good leftist." They're not interested in constructive anything: only tearing down the world "their parents" built. The Left represents an organized, collective tantrum. Unfortunately, unlike the tantrums thrown by toddlers going through "the terrible twos," the Left for some reason, doesn't exhaust itself; perhaps because there are always "enemies" of US and Israel, willing to fund them and stoke their anger for their own reasons and purpose.

I agree with most of what you say, but it's not just an "Islam vs Israel thing. I truly believe that this is Militant Islam on the March, using Taliban, Hizbullah, Hamas, and the various "Muslim movements" in Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines, Malaysia, Chechnya, Africa, S. China, and EUROPE, as the vanguard; I believe that the "Crusades" were child's play by comparison to what's happening now; and that our "friends" in Saudi Arabia and other "friendly Arab countries" are totally behind this thrust for world conquest by Islam, and are financing it. Like all Elitist Fools, they've talked themselves into the mistaken calculation, that they can CONTROL it, sooner or later.

You're right that the Palestinians are a side show; clearly, the Arabs have always hated the Palestinian "arabs," and set them up as early as 1948 to be the "fall guys." I'm only amazed at their collective and continued stupidity. Can you imagine tolerating your people living in camps for 60 years while your "brother Arabs" spout BS in the UN and pat your ass by forking up $$ for more guns and weapons? Why don't they ever wonder why their brothers in the "Arab World," with their millions of square miles of empty territory, couldn't find room for the few hundred thousand they either seduced or forced to be "displaced" and to continue to live and reproduce in squalor for 3 or 4 generations in UN run camps?

There was no room in the entire ME for the "Pal Arabs" extant at the time, and there is no room for them STILL, because:

1] They're more useful as an "issue," and

2] They've demonstrated, amply during the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, that they constitute a subversive 5th column in any country that has "welcomed" any of them with "useful skills" or for any other reason.

The Palestinians who cheered-on Saddam in W.Bank, Jordan, Gaza and Kuwait, while Saudi Arabia was at risk and scared to death, did not go unnoticed by the "Arab World," and if you will recall, Saudis [determining that Pals constituted an intolerable security risk] deported virtually all of the Pal "worker force" in country, and kicked them out, bag and baggage. They've subsequently imported Asians to do the "work" Palestinians historically did, and so, one more time, the Palestinians have "cut off their nose to spite their face."

The Saudi action received no press at all in the US and very little in the world press, Jpost and other Israeli papers [not very "PC," you understand], and remarkably, the Pals who were directly affected, have not learned from it or attempted to modify their behaviour in any way. By now, the deportations have been forgotten, totally. I never saw any reportage on what Qatar, Bahrain and the Emirates did, but my guess is that there are very few, if any, Palestinian "workers" in the Emirates. I find it stunning that Condi Rice and the Permanent Foreign Policy Establishment of the US have not noticed this, for obviously had they done so, they would be more apprehensive and less hot for these Saudi directed "final solution" end talks at this [or any] time.

The amazing thing about Palestinians, in spite of the conditions under which they have chosen to live and organize themselves in the W.Bank and Gaza for example, is that one can't possibly say that they're "inferior," because Pals who bother to become educated or learn skills are usually quite successful... certainly in America, and obviously, prior to the "Kuwait thing," throughout the Arab World, where their "skills" and abilities were avidly and readily sought.

No, it appears that this is a mental thing. Was it Abba Eban who said that "Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity?" I think that's closer to the mark.

Anyone who was alive, sentient, and aware of the political scene in 1948, knows that the "Pals" who were seduced into becoming "the pawns of the Arabs" by leaving the new state of Israel, would have been living far better lives had they joined forces with the Jews, and stayed in place. Without the wars, Pal produce and skills would have been sought world wide, their children would have been educated side by side with Israeli Jews, and they would be living and behaving like human beings. Certainly, 60 years of doing the killing and dying, one way or another, while their "brother Arabs" lived comfortably while occasionally dropping crumbs from their table [mostly to arm and rearm the Pals so they can keep on killing and dying], should have made some impact upon these chronically and tragically foolish folk.

The "Palestinian-issue" would never have happened; the Saudis and Syrians, and radical Muslims world-wide wouldn't have their "issue;" and, more to the point, there would not have been tens of thousands of "Palestinians" existing under 8th Century conditions still, in squalid "UN administered camps" for 60 years, Can you imagine if all the $$ the UN has spent "containing" Pals in camps, had been spent for resettlement or anything constructive? mariana


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"sustained and systematic effort to alter a bellicose mentality"
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Dr Pipes changing tone..
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Thanks Dr Pipes [10 words]HarrakApr 17, 2007 21:25
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Martin Indyk and Dennis Ross are badly misinformed and a real danger to Israeli Jews [152 words]Kenneth BesigMar 18, 2007 02:48
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Pipes subcommittee comments [141 words]DeanMar 16, 2007 22:52
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Mysterious and Unique Logic? [184 words]Dean KitnickFeb 26, 2007 19:54
Re your position toward the Israeli-Palestinian conflict
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Let the Arabs rot... [304 words]Linda MooreFeb 26, 2007 12:17
"Let the Arabs Rot" by Linda [245 words]Fred SchlomkaFeb 28, 2007 11:18
OK, rot or prosper, I don't care which [194 words]Linda MooreFeb 28, 2007 17:47
Rot or Prosper continued [172 words]Fred SchlomkaMar 1, 2007 00:08
I find it hard to believe you are Israeli - all of your hostility is directed at Israel [310 words]Linda MooreMar 1, 2007 17:44
There are many types of Israelis. We are no more homogenious than people in the USA [283 words]Fred SchlomkaMar 2, 2007 09:35
Litmus test is dangerous to Antisemites [66 words]DeMar 2, 2007 17:33
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Of Maps and fatalities [454 words]Fred SchlomkaMar 4, 2007 05:14
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To Daniel and Gabriel: on "Winning" [522 words]marianaMar 20, 2007 00:49
to Mariana [100 words]ASMar 22, 2007 00:38
Fred Schlomka: -Israeli leftist- Is there a difference? [87 words]Mr. ShawarmaMar 27, 2007 23:46
Boorish title from Mr. Shawamra [192 words]Fred SchlomkaMar 29, 2007 04:11
To Mariana from an israeli [461 words]Fred SchlomkaMar 29, 2007 16:26
I applaud those whom you and Jonathan Cook refer to as "thugs" and yes, Jew hater = Ashkenazi Leftist [402 words]Mr.ShawarmaMar 29, 2007 17:05
attack by Shawamra [197 words]Fred SchlomkaMar 31, 2007 02:30
Fred Schlomka's comments [319 words]Mr. ShawarmaMar 31, 2007 17:30
To: Fred Schlomka: on "armchairs and nonsense." [1572 words]marianaApr 1, 2007 12:50
some comments for Mariana [878 words]Fred SchlomkaApr 2, 2007 04:32
⇒ To: AS: This is an ISLAM vs EVERYONE ELSE issue [943 words]marianaApr 2, 2007 11:38
To Fred Schlomka: Your "Middle Eastern" Construct is clear. Forgive me if "I pass." [776 words]marianaApr 4, 2007 17:03
Fred Schlomka - Hill Top Youth comments verified [40 words]Fred SchlomkaDec 3, 2008 03:41
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