The forum losing steam and gaining entropy
Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Mar 31, 2007 at 17:23
Dear Plato, you wrote :
>> "But history had a different agenda for his "secularized" Moslem monoculture.."
> From your argument it seems to me that Mustafa Kemal was a reluctant Muslim. Reverting to your flag symbolism the colour red is considered the opposite of green, the favourite colour of Islamists.
You're wrong , dear Plato. This flag is IDENTICAL with the flag of the Ottoman Empire. If you don't believe , google " Turkish flag".
> My response has been as usual scrambled and some of the sense of what I was trying to say has been lost.
Never mind ! Any original writing is exposed to that danger. I have often suffered from it too.
> The stuff about Hitler I got out of googling 'hitler religion'. The ones I have referred to have sourced their article. My intention was to show that Hitler considered himslef a Christian and he was fighting for the Christian cause. So bringing up the atrocities of Ataturk and Turkey of the early twentieth century as essentially Islamic will inevitably lead to Muslims exhuming Hitler to expose his Christian beliefs and 'agenda'.
But even if we don't do that , the Moslems will be unearthing Hitler and his "Christian" crimes again and again. They are in principle incapable of thinking outside the parochial precincts defined by their religion. I have no high opinion of their intelligence.
> Of course I understand your contention that whereas Ataturk was a success Hitler was a failure in historical terms. But that does not matter to Islamists who see the world as composed of Muslims and kafirs.
Again whatever we do , Moslems will see the world as they have always done. They are irrational.
> This blog seems to be losing steam and some of the posts are looking a bit tired with just three or four of us posting seriously.
Well, isn't the universal law of entropy operating also here , dear Plato ? ;)
> Even Michel and Moderate Muslim seems to have lost their enthusiasm.
Perhaps they are busy doing other things unconnected with the forum ?
> I wish there were more Muslims reading this blog and responding. The Muslims who read it either have nothing to say or have no answers to the questions raised here.
Or they rightly feel that Islam is not defensible wherever reason , common sense and rational discourse have a say. Historically , it was raw force that disarmed any argument raised against Islam. As every lie , Islam can't stand on its own legs as it has none , not even clay legs . It stands and falls with violence and intimidation used to keep this lie alive. Peaceful Islam as preached by some respectable well-wishers is essentially a death sentence to Islam as it means that there is a higher authority to decide what is true and false and this higher authority is not the Quran but reason. And reason is not in favour of lies , not even as global as Islam.
> We will have to wait till Daniel :Pipes posts an article that can arouse as much interest as this one did.
Well , more than 1800 comments on a brief article of 678 words is an impressive result , isn't it ?
> I hope we will continue to be able to read each other on this or other blogs.
In the meantime I am available on Skype if you happen to sometimes use it . My username is "Nephelobates". I am excessively fond of Greece , hence also my interest in Turkey , which I privately consider Europe's worst curse.
All the best ,
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