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Submitted by Tom (Finland), Mar 16, 2007 at 09:25

Greetings from Finland,

There are many many reasons stated why Turkey should not join the EU, but the reason why an average European does not want Turkey into our Union is quite simple: we just don't want them. I am highly interested in international politics and for Europeans there are currently two hot topics: both our weird and unique neighbours Russia and Turkey.

Russia of course is as a partner much more important to us than Turkey can ever be, and in fact, Turkey is only interesting to European Union for the sake of Russia. Turkish usage is sinking lower and lower for us for two reasons: Russia has stabilized her exsistence and is becoming more trusthworthy partner than Turkey, and oil soon belongs to past. Anyway, I am not here to list ups and downs of the possible Turkish membership in the European Union, but to explain why common European citizen does not want Turkey into the Union.

As I said ,Turkey has been only a way to involve less with Russians but now when Europe and Russia are starting to live in a symbiosis Turkey becomes less useful and thus I see no point investing huge piles of money into rebuilding Turkish economy when the money can be invested into rebuilding the long gone glory of those old Soviet Democratic Republics in Eastern Europe.

Even though Europe is with no doubt the most educated continent in the world, most Europeans don't really know what is the difference with Turkey and Syria for example. Sure Turkey is a member of NATO but hey, even Muammar Gaddafi's Lybia is now a days licksplitting the United States of America. The major religion in Turkey is obviously Islam, which has been in really negative light for past decades.

Europeans consider Islam decadent religion supressing some things, for example women rights. And you cannot blame us for that, seeing women forced to wear those silly all covering curtains on them seems quite old fashioned. Even we Europeans have critical look for the USA I bet you can't find an European having symphaty for Palestinians after 9/11 when all news broadcasts showed motion picture from the West Bank where people were singing, dancing, doing that wild Allahu Akbar -thing, and generally enjoying the terrorist attacks of the day. It is sad indeed how media makes us think something. We think that Turks and same with them and Turks think that we are cruel nazi bastards trying to squeeze juice from them and leave them when they're useless.

Finland has a really low number of foreign imigrants, by foreign, I mean people outside from Europe. most of our immigrants come from the Middle-East and, no I am not racist; I am a realist, they are the worst trouble makers ever. Even Finns are the most violent country in EU, almost every weekend someone gets beaten up or stabbed by usually a drunken Finnish male. the number of crimes is proportionally really low if compared with crimes committed by gypsies and immigrants from the Middle-East.

Raping is a horrible and serious crime. currently in my town there is a gang of several males from Midde-Eastern countries raping women every weekend. People demand that all immigrants committing crimes should get a mail stamp in their arses and send back where they came from. This really does not promise any good for 70 millions of Turks' Union membership.

Ignorance feeds the fear on both sides, in the Union and in Turkey. Who wants the Union to expand eastward then? The European business and Turkish government. European companies seek for a cheap places to do their business, although thanks to latest expansion they've mainly got new markets and don't pressure governements to expand the union that much, and as far as I know Turks have high hopes of European money saving their economical crisis and lifting the country back to its feet, which it seems not be able to do by itself. Turks seem to be proud of being Turks, and I guess they don't really consider themselves Europeans, like we don't consider them among us and I can tell you that most of us are really proud of being part of any nation we live in and also proud of being Europeans.

There are many ups and downs in the possible Union membership of Turkey but the fact is that Europeans don't want Turkey in the Union and so don't want the Turks.

Keep Europe European!

PS: Still living in a country and standing proud before the flag which fought with the Nazis - if someone tried to invide my country, enslave my people and destroy my life I would ally with anyone else fighting the same enemy - accusing others for actions our fathers and their fathers did is just stupid.


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Turkey in ? I'm out ! [102 words]Robby (Belgium)Jul 10, 2008 15:58
Who wants to be in EU ? [161 words]ErkinJul 25, 2008 05:18
RIOTS! [54 words]hiJan 17, 2009 00:49
We do not want EU too, do not worry robby the belgic [255 words]Turk AybikeNov 1, 2009 11:25
NEVER to Turkey in the EU [118 words]BillyBoyJan 19, 2008 12:57
Never to Turkey in the EU [312 words]KemalistJul 18, 2009 09:33
noobstar [111 words]Mert The AdolfOct 6, 2009 15:42
No turkey in europe please [39 words]MassimilianoMay 13, 2007 12:34
Turkish flag [794 words]JanJul 30, 2007 19:31
YES to Turkey [341 words]Nico KOct 10, 2007 16:24
Its an imagination [34 words]GizmoMar 10, 2008 09:29
YES to Turkey [417 words]MARMARISApr 7, 2009 19:05
Our dear marmaris and Turkish delusions [168 words]dhimmi no moreApr 8, 2009 07:35
⇒ Keeping Europe European [804 words]TomMar 16, 2007 09:25
Educated European tom makes an uneducated European guess [430 words]Enver EthemerMar 23, 2007 16:43
Rape and Mid Easterns [63 words]OctavioMar 23, 2007 19:06
No2Turkey [38 words]Alex JonesJul 5, 2007 17:18
to the pure, pure european [465 words]esinDec 6, 2007 20:55
agamemnon [127 words]erolJan 17, 2009 01:11
Road to Sharia [87 words]Enver EthemerMay 14, 2009 18:08
no way [32 words]aidonisOct 4, 2006 16:42
No not at all [174 words]ErdemOct 24, 2006 16:28
Blindness can cause personal dysfunctions [48 words]enverMar 23, 2007 17:19
reply [22 words]aidonisMar 26, 2007 13:37
No problem [150 words]Enver EthemerMar 28, 2007 14:11
... [8 words]aidonisMar 29, 2007 11:54
Grey wolf [16 words]Enver EthemerMar 29, 2007 17:27
You are jealous... [141 words]TekinJun 4, 2007 10:09
Ya, Ok ... [121 words]BillBoyJan 19, 2008 13:08
TURKS OUT!!! [12 words]BillyboyJan 19, 2008 13:14
So much for "Fact". [155 words]LeventJan 17, 2006 07:28
Turkey as a member for EU? [1597 words]OmerDec 19, 2005 07:15
WHERE İS EUROPE [121 words]cem akcaogluFeb 22, 2006 07:43
no to eu [699 words]canApr 5, 2006 23:50
Turks have complexes too! [372 words]MariannaOct 4, 2006 00:49
perfect answer [18 words]aliOct 8, 2006 14:18
to marianna..... [242 words]denizzNov 11, 2006 11:19
Turks ? [100 words]Kapageridis StavrosJan 21, 2007 11:08
dear marianna [240 words]tuncerMar 20, 2007 17:49
Another ignorant european [100 words]EnverMar 23, 2007 17:12
ON EUROPE AND TURKEY [41 words]ASMar 24, 2007 17:18
what u said is complitely wrong [42 words]NigelJun 30, 2007 06:22
for stavraetos,the agent provacateur [64 words]girayhanSep 29, 2007 19:11
No... [259 words]No_name_grJul 22, 2008 06:25
does the soul exist? [976 words]erolJan 17, 2009 02:29
No to EU! [460 words]Yusuf Sami TurkerDec 17, 2005 15:41
No to EU! [40 words]Ronald MatthewsDec 30, 2005 04:15
No to EU! Let's Talk Genocide... [569 words]Yusuf Sami TURKERMar 4, 2006 04:25
TURKEY IS THE COUNTRY OF TOLERANCE! [42 words]OgunMay 31, 2006 09:57
Its time for Turkey to dump the EU application and flush it . [97 words]Bulent OzdemirOct 13, 2006 02:27
Dont you talk!!!! [135 words]AyhanOct 27, 2006 02:09
stop, in the name of love [154 words]erolJan 20, 2009 08:52
Some perspective [310 words]BugraNov 26, 2005 23:22
Some perspective [45 words]Ronald MatthewsDec 30, 2005 04:20
Algerian Genocide [61 words]LeventNov 6, 2005 18:43
Algerian Genocide [24 words]Ronald MatthewsDec 30, 2005 04:17
Reply: [440 words]LeventJan 16, 2006 15:05
Your beloved Europe! (remembering history) [452 words]MemoApr 18, 2006 03:17
Respect to your roots... [213 words]CoskanOct 9, 2006 12:15
The french have never admitted their atrocities in Algeria [28 words]dragonfireOct 21, 2006 15:57
genocide? [92 words]ErdemOct 24, 2006 16:37
Give me a break [71 words]enverMar 23, 2007 17:15
The Eurasians Advanced Civilization..? [394 words]AmericaApr 24, 2009 23:03
Radical Islam? Try Europe [468 words]LeventNov 6, 2005 18:38
A Grand Game - wake up ! [396 words]Kevin WilliamsOct 3, 2005 13:11
A Grand Game - wake up ! [35 words]Ronald MatthewsDec 30, 2005 04:24
Turkey - EU [68 words]Ozcan ErdonmezJul 23, 2006 03:00
Thank God [77 words]EnverMar 23, 2007 17:24
perfect country:TURKEY!!!!!!! [10 words]duyguSep 24, 2005 12:01
turks do not want eu [77 words]ataJan 4, 2006 15:02
Turkey Facts [327 words]CemAug 23, 2005 11:08
No to Turkey in Europe [13 words]Octavio JohansonMay 16, 2005 04:59
hey [34 words]aysenJun 25, 2006 12:26
Discrimination Against Turkiye [450 words]David SharonDec 21, 2006 09:52
to David [43 words]ASMar 24, 2007 18:05
David Sharon [13 words]SýlaMay 18, 2007 06:27
Turkey joining the EU would be the death of Europe! Say no to Turkey! [18 words]David AndersonJul 4, 2007 18:53
No to Turkey! [119 words]JPSep 7, 2007 07:08
Turks, Greeks and Europe [803 words]Billy BoyJan 19, 2008 16:26
no turkey at all !!! [32 words]bhaximNov 21, 2008 09:12
GREEKS IN A HISTORIC SENSE [177 words]ZACHFeb 11, 2009 22:04
France and Turkey [308 words]Octavio JohansonMay 11, 2005 04:17
Some education [205 words]LeventMar 10, 2006 19:37
Response to Levent [179 words]mamApr 12, 2006 17:02
Tsk Tsk [978 words]LeventApr 14, 2006 23:15
Just in case that isn't sufficient.. [208 words]LeventApr 16, 2006 01:00
Tsk Tsk Indeed! [383 words]mamMay 2, 2006 14:42
And you call us deniers of reality... [114 words]LeventMay 17, 2006 13:31
keep up with the research [168 words]mamMay 18, 2006 15:34
Robert John's response [537 words]LeventMay 31, 2006 23:17
Some expert witness! [374 words]mamJun 2, 2006 13:07
Ad homs won't change the content [226 words]LeventJun 10, 2006 18:27
simply incoherent [253 words]mamJun 12, 2006 11:36
So you can't source it... [22 words]LeventJun 13, 2006 05:43
Over and out [147 words]mamJun 15, 2006 11:45
Well Documented? [113 words]LeventJun 16, 2006 06:35
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Turkey - EU [73 words]Ozcan ErdonmezJul 23, 2006 02:52
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Let's educate ourselves [389 words]CenkMay 10, 2005 14:21
Either you believe in democracy or you don't? [114 words]Jacob CarmielMay 9, 2005 10:57
Democracy what is it? [9 words]EnverMar 23, 2007 17:33
The myth of Turkish secularism [88 words]Octavio JohansonMay 8, 2005 05:03
The myth of Turkish secularism [27 words]Ronald MatthewsDec 30, 2005 04:30
State of the EU [433 words]LeventJan 2, 2006 09:22
Dont want to say I told you so... [719 words]LeventMar 12, 2006 22:01
reply to Ronald Matthews [50 words]betülMar 21, 2006 07:31
Ronald [21 words]SýlaMay 18, 2007 06:30
TURKEY is a democratic and TURKISH country!.... [254 words]çepniJul 21, 2007 17:59
Difficulty to predict developments [441 words]WernerMay 7, 2005 22:39
Cracks in democracy [121 words]Arvind MadhavanMay 7, 2005 03:32
Not in my name [225 words]Octavio JohansonMay 6, 2005 18:30
Response to Mr. Johanson [143 words]Germain Lucas, CanadaMay 10, 2005 12:37
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betul.. [43 words]memoApr 18, 2006 03:23
To Mam. [16 words]DevrimOct 9, 2006 22:50
About Turks [46 words]tuncerMar 17, 2007 19:27
Selam [73 words]TabMar 22, 2007 22:46
Betul [117 words]EnverMar 23, 2007 17:32

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