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in response to reader comment: To Noah - you lured me into a response yet again and before I knew....back to the clowns

Submitted by Noah Wilk (United States), Mar 2, 2007 at 22:14

Michel wrote:

"If that's true, Noah, then you have first and foremost my respect."

There you go again, refusing to believe anything I tell you.

"It is a fact that out of any war two kinds of people emerge. The ones come out of it with everlasting hatred against the enemy, as they saw friends die in aforementioned terrible ways. These people will see any possible threat as something which must be addressed decisively and early on, as they never again want to be in a similar situation. In a way I can understand now, where you are coming from (on a psychological dimension)"

Michel, don't play "internet shrink". This isn't the mechanism behind my decisions. My point was only that I have indeed seen the horrors of war, and do not see war as a video game. I don't hate Muslims because I had friends killed by them in war or anything like that. I hate the threat they constitute, and the way they are working to undermine our society...nothing more, nothing less.

"There is another type though who draws entirely different conclusions from carnage experienced. Never again applies here too, but in specific regards to innocent lives. Nothing to do with Gulf war or Stockholm syndrome, or surrendering to the enemy."

"Never again" refers to a genocide, a Holocaust, wherein the Nazis tried to systematically elminate the Jewish race. It does not apply to war. Wars will happen. Threats arise and must be dealt with. You're simply afraid to deal with it. Heck, you're afraid even to confront the issues, much less the enemy!

"There is a difference between an enemy combatant and innocent people. I‘ll never hesitate to defend this country bearing arms in any conventional war or in the war on terrorism. Unnecessary, cruel action against civilians - sorry I can not accept as "collateral damage"."

Where do I begin with this paragraph? First of all, it is not cruel to kill the enemy. If we wiped out Islamism, we'd be doing a service to the other 6 billion people who live under the threat of Islamism. Second, collateral damage happens in ever war. Always has, always will. It is inevitable, unavoidable, and unalterable. Only weaklings who are disconnected from reality believe in wars without collateral damage. Third, when it comes to Islam, every Muslim who is not reform minded (ie 99.999% of them) are enemies, just as much as the terrorists. They are no different from the Germans who were building submarines and airplanes for the Nazi army. They may not have been shooting guns at us directly, but they were supporting the cause. Same idea here. You're simply too blind to see that.

"a) do these atrocities happen here in the US? No. Therefore the domestic Muslims can not be grouped into the same category as the ones you talk about."

Michel, we have covered this issue with you half a trillion times if we've covered it once. You simply refuse to discuss it or to understand it. Just because they are not openly bombing things does not mean they are not a threat. Go back to those links I provided about CAIR and what the Muslims are doing in Detroit. Or better yet, go there and see for yourself.

"b) Where they occur, they must be opposed by all means at our disposal indeed."

I know you don't have the guts to answer this, but I'll ask anyway as a matter of record. When the threat is not the commission of atrocities but rather the subversive erosion of our society and the infiltration into our country, what means are you prepared to use that will be effective to counter the threat? Are you even intelligent enough to recognize a threat that does not involve bombs and guns?

"Which Islam? How about the many Black converted Muslims here? The Canadian Moderate Muslim, the guys who wrote those articles I submitted? They all declared war on you? Poor baby, relax, it ain't that bad, I assure you."

Well, there goes the respect you mentioned a few paragraphs back [rolling my eyes]. There is only one Islam, Michel. Until you understand that, you will always be a delusional clown who cannot comprehend the truth of the matter and the nature of the threat.

"Where we disagree and seem to be unable to find compromise, Noah, is that I can not see evidence for an all encompassing Muslim threat"

Only because you do not want to see that truth, Michel. You have avoided discussing this issue from day one. Any time anyone presents evidence or arguments dealing with the issue, you ignore it. If you were man enough to face it, perhaps we'd find some agreement. But you refuse to this day to even look at the evidence.

"Noah - there is no such City."

It was just an analogy, a manner of speaking. The point being better to blow up a city full of people who commit terror, endorse terror, approve of terror, finance terror, aid and abet terror, etc, that to allow them to blow up an American city.

"There are only organizations and groups hidden amongst many peaceful normal average people."

A claim you have failed utterly to back with evidence. A claim that has been disproved by many of us repeatedly. A claim that defies common sense, historical reality, polls, studies, current events, etc.

"If in fact it was that simple, and there was a whole City unanimously supporting a nuclear attack on any US City, hell of course would we pre-empt such with our own strike."

I'll put it in terms you can understand. We're not facing a city full of enemies. We are facing an expansionist, global death cult that is trying to infiltrate and subvert where it cannot conquer via force. Every country where Muslims gather, they try force Islam on the people. Look at London. Look at Detroit. It's everywhere they are. That alone is a threat. The fact is that when they reach a critical mass, they tend to engage in forceful genocide, in militancy, in attack to force "infidels" to submit to Islam. When they gain power, they vote in extremist terror groups or institute Sharia law. The story is always the same. The migratory attack is the groundwork being laid. If you knew anything at all about combat, their tactics would stand out to you like a sore thumb. You do not understand the nature of warfare though, so you are blind to their tactics. You live in ignorance and refuse to see what those who can see are showing you. It's not like you're blind. It's like you have your eyes shit really tightly. The rest of us are saying "Look, look at the writing on this wall! It's very clear and bold! Open your eyes!". But you refuse to open your eyes because then you might have to change your view, and you are adamantly opposed to becoming enlightened.

"But this simplistic scenario simply does not exist. The closest maybe would be IRAN, and even there, the collateral damage would be mind-blowing."

Who cares? Better them than us. Perhaps you don't care if Iran launches a nuclear attack to generate an EMP and puts the United States back into the pre-electronic age, but I do. Perhaps you don't mind if Iran wipes our allies off the map, but I do. Perhaps you don't care if Iran uses their nuclear weapons to blackmail the world, but I do. Look at how belligerent they are now, without having an active nuke. Imagine them with nukes. And you are wrong about Iran. There is a greater number of reform-minded people in Iran that there are in Syria or Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. You don't even know the subject you're discussing!

"Here we go again with the personal insult."

It's not an insult. It's the truth. A clown hides from reality, pontificates on a subject of which he has no knowledge, flip flops from one personality to another, stages drama queen exists, and plays games. Our attitudes towards you have changed due to your actions (and lack of honest engagement).

"Susan is indeed a lost case and you, dear ex soldier, can only be called brain dead, as not even these harsh experiences, you claim to have had, have opened up your eyes"

Brain dead because I look at all sides of the issues and study it in depth? I don't think so. If I'm brain dead, then why do you run and cower from my challenges? Surely you can defeat the arguments of the brain dead! You simply refuse to comment or respond when either I or Susan or anyone else presents compelling evidence to you. You conveniently avoid it by either:

a) hurling personal insults and displaying faux righteous indignation in order to skirt the issue
b) ignoring it for weeks until it gets buried and "forgotten" (or so you think), or
c) posting a half-hearted and impotent response that does not even address the issue, then immediately declare yourself the "victor" despite having done nothing to refute the claims presented

"People like you tend to repeat mistakes again and again and never break the deadly mechanism of action and revenge."

On the contrary, I am not making the mistake. You, Michel, are literally re-enacting the years prior to WWII and you are playing the role of Chamberlain. You insist on ignoring an obvious threat. We all saw what that brought about.

"My respect goes to John McCain who spent 2 years in a NVA Prison Camp, yet never condemned or discriminated against any Vietnamese to my knowlege."

McCain is a politician and an idiot.

"Are you even reading my posts? As Plato so eloquently described, you Nazis take a simple statement out of context, negate any disclaimers and like a parrot keep on repeating yourself to the effect of a sleeping pill."

Because you keep making them. You repeated the "30 million claim" twice after I shot it down and challenged you to present evidence of that absurdity, then you later quietly modified it to 12 million, which is only slightly less absurd, once again without evidence. Perhaps if you would engage people honestly and direct your attention to the issues and confront the claims of others with verifiable facts, you'd gain some respect.

"Even 2 M is a significant amount of people and the statement that they wait in hiding to infiltrate like sleeper cells, is just your easy way out to explain utter lack of evidence for their militancy."

No, Michel. It is not an "easy way out". I have explained it in detail, I have backed it up with irrefutable logic, verifiable facts, current events, and historical precedence. I (and others) have explained their tactics, how they work, and where it has been used before. We have explained the tactic to you in strategic terms. You simply refuse to address this issue. Why? Because it is the lynchpin to your entire belief system. If you were to explore the issue, you would see the truth. That would force you to admit that Susan and I are right (which would probably kill you to do), and it would force you to change your whole outlook. You simply refuse to do so.

"As opposed to me, who believes in the tooth fairy of Moderate Islam, you believe in the Bogey Man of the Ugly Muslim. That makes me at worst a dreamer, while you become by definition paranoid. What do you think is most likely the preferable mental state?"

First of all, your claim here is totally false. You believe that the mythological moderate Muslim exists in some sort of significant number, but you have to this point failed to provide evidence of their existence. As I have pointed out repeatedly, reform-minded Muslims are an aberrtion, a blip on the radar. They account for less than one one-thousanth of one percent of Muslims. Perhaps less than one ten-thousanth of one percent. You have failed utterly to present evidence of a moderate, peaceful, reform-minded movement inside Islam. On the other hand, I have indeed proven not only that your mythological moderate Muslim is nothing more than an aberration, an anomaly, a one-in-ten-million freak occurrence, but I have also provided plenty of evidence of the inherently barbaric nature of Islam and Muslims. I have show you proof of their goals and their tactics. I have given you modern and historical evidence and proof of how they behave. I have shown you their behavior and actions taking place this very day right here in the heart of America. Your comparison between our views is totally inaccurate because my view has been proven to exist in reality, and in astronomical numbers. Your view, on the other hand, has not only been unproven by you or by anyone else making that absurd claim (even Dr. Pipes refuses to address my challenge on it), but it has also been disproven by me and by others by giving you example after example of incidences right here in America where Muslims refuse to come out in any significant number to reform their religion, while they do manage to come out in force to protest tv shows that offend them, or to celebrate getting a terrorist in office, or to celebrate terrorist atrocities.

Second, even if we go with the false assumption that neither of us has proven our case, it is far safer, far more responsible, and far better in every way to side with my view over yours. Here is why. We know for a fact that Muslims are plotting atrocities. We know for a fact that they have committed atrocities (twice bombed the WTC, driving SUVs into college campuses, etc). We know for a fact that they are preaching hatred here in America (read the reports of investigations into mosques and madrassahs here). So there is no question...Muslims are engaged in war with us right here in the USA. We saw what 13 enemies can do. We have potentially 2 MILLION enemies on our shores. If we deport them, we remove the threat. If many or even most of them are peaceful, we have still removed the threat, and have forced them to reform their religion in order to come back. It's a win/win. If I am wrong, we still win, because while we net some innocents, we also clear out all the villains and save potentialy millions and millions of lives of Americans who have done nothing wrong. And those "innocent" Muslims we'd have removed at at the very least guilty due to indifference and refusing to reform their religion. Justice is done, freedom is preserved.

If we go with your absurd claim, and do nothing because you wish to believe that most Muslims are tolerant and peaceful (in direct denial of reality), then inevitably they will commit more atrocities because even by your claim there are admittedly thousands of radicals here . They will import a nuke or other WMD and instigate a a mass terror attack that tops 9/11. At that point, there would be a nuclear response by America, and Muslims all across the country would be lynched in the streets by people like me. The country would be in chaos and we'd see millions dead on both sides.

In other words, if we instigate my plan and I am right, we are better off. If we instigate my plan and I am wrong, we are still better off. However, with your approach, if you are right then we are still the target of atrocties, which are probably inevitable and which will probably kill millions of innocent Americans, because by your own admission there are Muslim radicals in America plotting against us, and history has proven this. If you are wrong, it's even worse. Why? Because then we are looking at the utter destruction of America and all it stood for.

So no matter how you slice it, it's far better to believe in a Muslim Boogey Man than a Mythological Moderate Muslim.

"BOOOOHOOOOO! Tears of pity stream down my cheek to the sound of the violins.And yes, dear Noah, your language, suggestions and depiction of 1.5B Muslims can not lead to any other conclusion than to an obligation for all ascended human beings to vilify people like you."

As I said, you're simply living in denial of reality. Cowardice and fear have a tendency to encourage ignorance. You can try to vilify us all you like. I have found ten times as much support for my views as I have insubstantial criticism such as yours. You cannot vilify truth. It has this tendency to expose itself, like sunlight.

"The growing threat of Islam is growing because of people like you who do not leave them another choice. "

A perfect example of your complete and utter dishonesty and lack of reading comprehension. I have given them a way out...REFORM! If they reform their death cult into a peaceful religion, then they're welcome to stay. I have no problem with Islam outside of its violence and intolerance towards others. If Muslims would respect and honor my society, my religion, my way of life, we'd get along just fine. They are being given countless opportunities to reform themselves and yet they refuse. Whether this refusal is due to fear, laziness, cowardice, indifference, or hate is not my concern. The fact is, they do not reform. Hence, they constitute a threat. That threat must be addressed. In order to address it, they must be removed, just like a child molester or murdered is removed from our society for the good of society. Then a deterrent is applied, the same deterrent we used successfully for half a century during the Cold War.

Of course, you insist in seeing this as some sort of Nazi extermination endeavour, which just proves your dishonesty.

" Keep on pressing and you will – I said it many times – create exactly the monster you fear."

I have some bad news for you, Michel. The monster already exists. Open your eyes, wake up, and experience reality for a change.

"As opposed to your naïve strategy, I delivered a catalogue of at least feasible (boring simple and small) ways to address various challenges with regards to Islam. First and foremost, know thy enemy and it is not Islam Grosso Modo."

On the contrary, you are the one who has been proven not to know his enemy or his enemy's tactics, and indeed not his enemy's history. You have not catalogued solutions. You have offered insignificant and meaningless drivel and smokescreens. You have offered fantasy conjecture that is utterly disconnected from reality.

"When will that ever penetrate the concrete wall of your ignorance? ..."

I have no "wall of ignorance", Michel. I deal only with reality. You're the one living in ignorance since you avoid any discussion of the hard issues.

"You are no clowns - you are stupid ignoramusses, societal fanatics, Nazis, supremacists, considering themselves as better, purer and worthier."

So much for all that respect! [rolling eyes once more] See Michel, this is your only way out. Your only tactic. You cannot and will not address the issues in an intelligent manner. You have yet to respond to any of the evidence or any of the challenges I have presented you with. Instead, you spew idiotic insults and engage us with inaccurate name-calling. Face it. You're simply not man enough to deal with the hard issues. You're petrified with fear at the thought of finding out you are wrong. I pity you.

"You quote history again and again, yet prove human kind's inability to learn from it."

On the contrary, you are the one who refuses to learn history's lessons. You refuse to acknowlede Islam's past, or its present, and you avoid all thought of its unpleasant future if something is not done. I am the one presenting historical precedence, you are the one avoiding addressing it.

"Wow – I dished out a bit of your own medicine and it obviously isn't fun - is it now?"

Michel, don't give yourself airs. Your insults don't bother me at all. They just prove that you're a delusional clown who cannot handle reality. Sometimes they are funny, but usually just dead boring. Remember, I am not the one whining about being exhausted and beaten up, or crying to the moderators..."Mommy, step in and make Noah and Susan shut up! They're offending me!". I am not the one doing drama queen exists just because someone insults me or saying he's been mugged and humbled.All that is coming from YOU, Michel. Believe me, I can take easily as much as I can dish out...and I can dish out a lot! I am merely pointing out a fact. You sink to absurd and inaccurate insults as an avoidance mechanism. Anyone who follows your posting habits can see that. You use insults, righteous indignation, and whining as a way to avoid dealing with issues you cannot address.

"The above is your and most so Susan's standard MO. It stings, haha, and you guys do deserve a bit of a blister for a change."

Believe me, Michel, it takes a far better man than you to "blister" me. Your attacks to this point are about as effective as a little old lady slapping an armored rhinocerous. But if you feel like indulging in some sort of fantasy world where you believe your insults have offended me, more power to you! It's not like you deal with reality on other issues anyway, so why break a perfect record?

"All of a sudden, several moderates have picked up the debate and the three musketeers Noah, Dhimmi and Susan find themselves in close quarters combat…lol. It does start to get a bit uncomfortable, doesn't it?"

You really are a strange person. Several moderates? Who? We've shot down and exposed people like Mo and Syed as radicals. Moderate Muslim has been exposed as not being knowledgable on Islam at all and in fact has proven to be another brainwashed follower. Close quarters combat? I revel in that! That's my specialty, it's what I teach. No problem there! And you think this is uncomfortable? Please! I have not yet felt a single post by anyone on your "side" that has given me any challenge whatsoever, if we discount the challenge of breaking through denial. Again, I am not the one doing the drama queen exits because of being "exhausted, beaten up, burned out, mugged, depressed, drained" as you have done and claimed so many times. As I told you in another post of mine a few days back, I am actually invigorated by all this. It motivated me to set up a new website and to start a research paper on the matter. So I hate to once again burst your fantasy bubble, but no, I am not uncomfortable with the level of opposition I face here. In fact, I wish I could get some decent competition from a Muslim who can actually hammer at me with hard questions. So far, that's not happening.

" Your Goebbels Propaganda does not stand unanswered anymore - not even in this right wing dominated blog."

My claims cannot be "Goebbels Propaganda" since they are not lies, bu rather provable and historical fact. but feel free to use my Goebbels analogy for yourself, inaccurate though it is coming from you.

" It tells me that you guys would miserably crash and burn in any mainstream forum."

Direct me to a mainstream forum of your choice that allows free speech and I will say the same thing there I am saying here. I say this everywhere.

"Yep - I only check in here from time to time to get a good laugh, especially, when enjoying Plato's contributions."

Is that why you're always whining about how drained, depressed, and upset you are when reading this blog? Is that why you keep staging drama queen exits?

"Thanks for the compliment. So I am not just a clown? Even your insults lack constistency."

I expected more from you when you first started posting, because you came off as reasonable. You quickly showed your true colors though.


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heh, ok right, that is so bogus [40 words]moderate MuslimApr 2, 2007 19:2487974
let's start from... [46 words]susanApr 3, 2007 03:1587974
And speaking of bogus! [86 words]dhimmi no moreApr 4, 2007 17:2987974
your answer [535 words](moderate) Muslim (though all real Muslims are moderate)Apr 5, 2007 22:0887974
christian arabs are first victims of muslims [243 words]susanApr 8, 2007 07:2687974
Islam and Terror [1398 words]moderate Muslim AmericanMar 22, 2007 17:4387720
Hamza Yusuf a Muslim scholar? LOL! [187 words]dhimmi no moreMar 23, 2007 19:2287720
2Nothing's more fun than debunking "Muslim Logic" [2959 words]Noah WilkMar 23, 2007 21:1887720
To Moderate Muslim: It is just a wish-list you have given us [2577 words]PlatoMar 24, 2007 06:4087720
M&M and David Chappelle exposed [147 words]dhimmi no moreMar 25, 2007 09:1487720
high muslim clerics agree with bin laden [394 words]susanMar 27, 2007 15:2487720
ok? [44 words]moderate Muslim-Mar 27, 2007 22:0087720
you just proved how ignorant islamphobes are [82 words]Islamophobic ignoranceMar 28, 2007 15:2687720
Precisely why we condemn you [380 words]Noah WilkMar 28, 2007 17:1887720
The little olive institute [32 words]dhimmi no moreMar 28, 2007 17:4587720
Our dear M&M and Yusuf Hamza's ancestry [25 words]dhimmi no moreMar 28, 2007 17:5187720
thanks.. [8 words]moderate MuslimMar 28, 2007 19:2087720
Islamophobia, really? [298 words]dhimmi no moreMar 29, 2007 07:2287720
Because , the most comfortable position for a coward is to struggle to be portrayed a "moderate" (&) Moslem. [611 words]Ynna(tchkah)Mar 29, 2007 13:4087720
poor reply [71 words]susanMar 29, 2007 13:4287720
like you said something... [91 words]susanMar 29, 2007 13:5087720
we need ears to listen and eyes to see [252 words]Islamophobia no more...Mar 29, 2007 16:3887720
chechnya is sufi [20 words]susanApr 1, 2007 10:1487720
I dont think you get it (Ynna (tchkah) [129 words]moderate MuslimApr 2, 2007 19:2387720
and why? [41 words]moderate MuslimApr 2, 2007 19:2787720
Our dear Islamophobia no more and his little diatribes [48 words]dhimmi no moreApr 2, 2007 19:5487720
Congratulations for not going to work to CAIR [108 words]Ynna (tchkah)Apr 3, 2007 03:0287720
skewed perception of Islamophobes [138 words]Islamophobia no moreApr 3, 2007 03:0387720
africa's fault is african [146 words]susanApr 3, 2007 03:2287720
an Islamophobe [259 words]Islamophobia no moreApr 3, 2007 03:3287720
cair wants sharia [39 words]susanApr 3, 2007 03:3987720
More diatribes from our dear INM aka M&M [103 words]dhimmi no moreApr 3, 2007 18:4387720
YOU DON'T GET THE POINT [19 words]moderate MuslimApr 3, 2007 20:2787720
For our dear INM and what is an Islamophobe part deux [343 words]dhimmi no moreApr 4, 2007 07:5387720
no matter how you turn it [67 words]susanApr 4, 2007 14:5187720
nobody is irrationally vilifying islam [234 words]susanApr 4, 2007 15:0887720
sharia allows slavery [18 words]susanApr 4, 2007 17:3987720
Dropping names and Si, comprende mucho! [111 words]dhimmi no moreApr 4, 2007 17:4887720
fallacy of bias history-reading [108 words]Islamophobia no moreApr 5, 2007 01:5987720
islamophobia, the stupidest word ever invented [124 words]susanApr 5, 2007 16:3087720
Cair and other people [171 words]moderate MuslimApr 5, 2007 22:1587720
CAIR [374 words]Noah WilkApr 6, 2007 14:5587720
Why then do you support it? [290 words]Noah WilkApr 6, 2007 15:0387720
cair = sharia = stone age [70 words]susanApr 6, 2007 15:1987720
Noah [124 words]moderate MuslimApr 6, 2007 23:4087720
M&M CAIR (big time LOL) and his flawed logic! [344 words]dhimmi no moreApr 7, 2007 08:3787720
Yes, Moderate Muslim, you ARE responsible! [516 words]Noah WilkApr 7, 2007 16:4587720
ROTFL [44 words]dhimmi no moreApr 7, 2007 18:3787720
al-Shari3a [10 words]dhimmi no moreApr 7, 2007 18:3987720
CAIR and mockery [26 words]dhimmi no moreApr 8, 2007 11:4087720
i'll see [37 words]moderate MuslimApr 8, 2007 22:3487720
Why aren't moderate muslims standing up? [55 words]Bob SterlingAug 20, 2007 23:5187720
why should the west win anyways if it continues with its current programme of warmongering? [434 words]cocoMay 6, 2009 12:0187720
islam & terror [627 words]John EdwardsOct 27, 2009 15:1387720
so here are you answers more if you want em [29 words]moderate MuslimMar 20, 2007 19:3287302
Moderate Muslim fails again! [1415 words]Noah WilkMar 21, 2007 15:3287302
mauritania has got legal slavery, allowed in islam [15 words]susanMar 21, 2007 16:5787302
MM [230 words]JaladhiMar 21, 2007 18:0187302
handshake with Kuffar? "Muslim debate schemes" and other sordid matters! [599 words]dhimmi no moreMar 22, 2007 07:5187302
morocco 50% literacy rate [18 words]susanMar 22, 2007 10:0387302
"Muslim debate schemes"! part deux [452 words]dhimmi no moreMar 24, 2007 14:1087302
Dhimmi No More - defenders of the faith have left town!!! [40 words]JaladhiMar 26, 2007 16:5687302
Your answer Plato (which is a really bad name for you, because it dishonores someone who actually thought [169 words]Moderate MuslimMar 20, 2007 19:1887298
Was the post for me? [45 words]PlatoMar 21, 2007 08:3087298
Try paying attention, Moderate Muslim [570 words]Noah WilkMar 21, 2007 17:5587298
blatantly clear? LOL [178 words]dhimmi no moreMar 21, 2007 19:5087298
To MM: Would Mohammed be a good name for me? [130 words]PlatoMar 22, 2007 14:0087298
you guys hate the truth, dontcha [23 words]moderate MuslimMar 22, 2007 17:1087298
clarification [36 words]Moderate MuslimMar 22, 2007 17:1287298
No, Im not beyond help, although I dont need much [73 words]moderate MuslimMar 22, 2007 17:1587298
Free will in islam? LOL [379 words]dhimmi no moreMar 24, 2007 08:1587298
you like lies don'tcha? [148 words]susanMar 25, 2007 10:2187298
To Syed [17 words]moderate MuslimMar 16, 2007 19:3086570
LOL syed is asking for caliphate [8 words]susanMar 18, 2007 10:1686570
Syed? LOL He has no credibility! [172 words]dhimmi no moreMar 18, 2007 12:5086570
Syeds are not Iranians?? [83 words]JaladhiMar 19, 2007 17:1886570
What? [35 words]moderate MuslimMar 19, 2007 19:2486570
For our dear M&M and islam [73 words]dhimmi no moreMar 20, 2007 17:4886570
To Moderate Muslim: Spreading Islam by avoiding unpleasant facts [389 words]PlatoMar 22, 2007 13:3586570
Sure, Syed's the perfect choice [230 words]JeffMar 27, 2007 18:2386570
i wasnt..... [77 words]moderate MuslimMar 27, 2007 22:0286570
THE JOKE'S ON YOU (DHIMMI) [32 words]moderate MuslimMar 16, 2007 19:2786568
And your point is? [244 words]dhimmi no moreMar 18, 2007 12:4086568
You dont know me, you dont even care [110 words]moderate MuslimMar 19, 2007 19:3686568
avoiding the sex slaves matter [52 words]susanMar 20, 2007 16:1186568
Uno Questiono por legion of doom [36 words]moderate MuslimMar 16, 2007 19:2586566
To Moderate Muslim: Global warming a belief? [63 words]PlatoMar 17, 2007 23:1186566
The Official Stance of the Legion of Doom On Global Warming [59 words]Noah WilkMar 18, 2007 10:1786566
youre just not answering [43 words]moderate MuslimMar 19, 2007 19:2986566
heheh, thanks plato [25 words]moderate MuslimMar 19, 2007 19:3086566
You were indeed given an answer [209 words]Noah WilkMar 20, 2007 15:2986566
They're not scared [107 words]Noah WilkMar 20, 2007 15:3686566
sex slaves conspiracy [101 words]susanMar 20, 2007 16:1486566
?? [72 words]moderate MuslimMar 22, 2007 17:1986566
Yes, you are on trial [223 words]Noah WilkMar 23, 2007 18:5786566
islam is not on trial, it's already convicted [14 words]susanMar 25, 2007 10:2686566
heh please [45 words]moderate MuslimMar 26, 2007 19:1686566
Spain and Arabian imperialism and justifying the absurd [69 words]dhimmi no moreMar 27, 2007 20:4886566
spain? islam flourished? [2978 words]susanMar 28, 2007 02:5786566
Islam is peace [103 words]moderate MuslimMar 14, 2007 21:3686334
disproved [331 words]susanMar 15, 2007 16:2486334
Islam and violence and silence [116 words]dhimmi no moreMar 18, 2007 17:3486334
uh NO [7 words]moderate MuslimMar 19, 2007 19:2586334
Our dear M&M has never been to a madrassa! [81 words]dhimmi no moreMar 24, 2007 14:2286334
ALARMING NEWS - POLYGAMOUS MUSLIM IMMIGRANTS ARE WELCOME IN US WITH UP TO FOUR WIVES [211 words]Sofa SogoodMar 14, 2007 14:4586290
A Peaceful Muslim Country (oh my) [259 words]moderate MuslimMar 11, 2007 21:2185929
...muslim [492 words]susanMar 12, 2007 18:3085929
very poor example [255 words]susanMar 12, 2007 18:4085929
Dave Chapelle? and who the heck is he? And why should we like him or hate him for this matter [235 words]dhimmi no moreMar 12, 2007 19:3985929
MALAYSIA A PEACEFUL MUSLIM COUNTRY???LOL [110 words]MOROUSMar 13, 2007 16:5385929
Malaysia is Saudi Arabia of East [142 words]JaladhiMar 13, 2007 19:1385929
Talking points, pillars, quibbles, quotes, examples, and some words of wisdom from the kennedys. [972 words]moderate MuslimMar 13, 2007 19:3285929
MY EMAILS? [13 words]muslimMar 13, 2007 21:2385929
Malaysia is Saudi Arabia of East - Pt. 2 [133 words]JaladhiMar 14, 2007 16:2785929
The good ole pillars of islam! [84 words]dhimmi no moreMar 14, 2007 16:4385929
kennedy quote? [659 words]susanMar 14, 2007 16:4485929
why does everyone not get it [32 words]moderate MuslimMar 14, 2007 19:4085929
huh?? [339 words]morousMar 15, 2007 12:2285929
Our dear M&M and you ain't Muqatil [61 words]dhimmi no moreMar 15, 2007 20:0485929
To Morous-Clarify a few things [291 words]moderate MuslimMar 15, 2007 21:2585929
your clarification Moderate [664 words]MorousMar 17, 2007 11:4685929
one clarification: malaysia has got sharia law [41 words]susanMar 18, 2007 10:1985929
literal interpretation [68 words]susanMar 18, 2007 10:2285929
Reply to Reply : morous [116 words]moderate MuslimMar 18, 2007 17:1585929
women as humans? [31 words]susanMar 20, 2007 04:5185929
It's Back in your court MODERATE [616 words]MorousMar 20, 2007 13:2585929
Malaysia? [171 words]surjApr 20, 2007 22:3485929
More Answers (Aisha) (ra) [2787 words]moderate MuslimMar 11, 2007 21:0685919
aisha the child [103 words]susanMar 12, 2007 18:3385919
To Moderate Muslim: Hiding the shame of Aisha's age and a Maulana abrogates 9:29 [989 words]PlatoMar 13, 2007 01:1385919
3A'isha and real history! and playing with dolls! [648 words]dhimmi no moreMar 13, 2007 07:2885919
Lies will not change historical age of Aisha at the time of her marriage [157 words]JaladhiMar 20, 2007 15:4385919
The Ultimate Post- No Hiding, No Crying, Just Answers [8353 words]moderate MuslimMar 8, 2007 22:1385330
I'm cherry picking Moderate Muslim's huge post [2178 words]Noah WilkMar 9, 2007 04:1485330
For our dear M&M and his bogus command of Islamic theology [454 words]dhimmi no moreMar 9, 2007 18:0085330
To Moderate Muslim: Ethical basis of Islam and the thrashing of women by men [2001 words]PlatoMar 10, 2007 07:3085330
For our dear Moderate Msulim and what is really a moderate Muslim?And other sordid matters [885 words]dhimmi no moreMar 10, 2007 07:4085330
More Answers-To Dhimmi [293 words]moderate MuslimMar 10, 2007 13:2085330
Our dear M&M and he is really a "bait"? and Jihad or holy war revisited part deux [653 words]dhimmi no moreMar 10, 2007 14:1585330
moderate [592 words]susanMar 10, 2007 15:0185330
For our dear M&M and Q2:216 ...part one! [832 words]dhimmi no moreMar 11, 2007 09:2885330
dhimmi ... [26 words]susanMar 11, 2007 10:3985330
For our dear M&M and Q9:4 part deux! [541 words]dhimmi no moreMar 11, 2007 14:4185330
moderate Muslim [61 words]moderate MuslimMar 11, 2007 17:4285330
Condemnable Offenses. Controlling Men [91 words]moderate MuslimMar 11, 2007 17:4585330
you have no idea what a race is again [13 words]susanMar 12, 2007 03:3885330
M&M and more fantasy [262 words]dhimmi no moreMar 12, 2007 07:5285330
To Moderate Muslim: Fight to make your neighbours submit to Allah [179 words]PlatoMar 12, 2007 10:1585330
response to moderate muslim [555 words]morousMar 12, 2007 16:2585330
invented by modern people? [111 words]susanMar 12, 2007 18:3085330
yeah, so? [97 words]moderate MuslimMar 12, 2007 19:2485330
To Moderate Muslim: On rape and chopping off hands [583 words]PlatoMar 12, 2007 23:1885330
Uh no [17 words]moderate MuslimMar 13, 2007 19:3385330
the joke is on you morous [36 words]moderate MuslimMar 13, 2007 19:3685330
Hypocritical Muslim [56 words]Noah WilkMar 13, 2007 20:4385330
origins [183 words]dhimmi no moreMar 13, 2007 21:5885330
Racism! Really? [147 words]dhimmi no moreMar 14, 2007 12:3185330
i am 100% correct [57 words]susanMar 14, 2007 16:2285330
More evidence [47 words]dhimmi no moreMar 14, 2007 16:5685330
Hypocrisy - thy name is.... [46 words]JaladhiMar 14, 2007 17:3185330
Jesus is god? [26 words]moderate muslimMar 14, 2007 19:3185330
not quite making sense - at all [129 words]moderate MuslimMar 14, 2007 19:3785330
lies [30 words]moderate MuslimMar 14, 2007 19:3885330
His words? [226 words]dhimmi no moreMar 15, 2007 07:3985330
Muslims suppress free debate on anti Semitism at Leeds University, UK [163 words]DelboyMar 15, 2007 09:4985330
MM [135 words]susanMar 15, 2007 16:1485330
2My dear M&M and i'm glad that you asked and the Qur'an really says that Jesus is God! [93 words]dhimmi no moreMar 15, 2007 19:5985330
Uh what? [38 words]moderate MuslimMar 16, 2007 19:2185330
MM - Read Dhimmi No More's(who knows Arabic) posts to understand Q9:4 [92 words]JaladhiMar 19, 2007 17:4885330
Respond to what? [58 words]dhimmi no moreMar 19, 2007 20:1485330
For our dear M&M and the Qur'an really says that jesus is God and the bogus tawheed [140 words]dhimmi no moreMar 20, 2007 07:5185330
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE KORAN SAYS [22 words]MOROUSMar 20, 2007 14:0285330
The fundamentally faulty logic of the person called dhimmi no more [201 words]moderate MuslimMar 20, 2007 19:0185330
Astaghfirullah is M&M's lame answer [239 words]dhimmi no moreMar 23, 2007 07:2885330
Flat? Hardly [31 words]Moderate MuslimMar 25, 2007 21:5385330
ONCE AGAIN MODERATE, THE KORAN CONTRADICTS YOU [172 words]MOROUSMar 28, 2007 17:0885330
Hand Chopping and Adultery [74 words]Mukhtar Ahmed KashifJul 30, 2009 12:4785330
Why I am proud to be a member of the Legion of Doom! [354 words]Noah WilkMar 8, 2007 21:0985321
The wake up call [15 words]Moderate MuslimFeb 26, 2007 16:2579077
You're talking, but you're not saying anything, Moderate Muslim [499 words]Noah WilkFeb 26, 2007 20:3579077
PEACEFUL NATION? YEAH, COMPARED TO THE HUNS [53 words]Moderate MuslimFeb 28, 2007 07:3279077
homework for moderate muslim [155 words]susanFeb 28, 2007 15:3479077
MM, you very well described actions of Muslims [98 words]JaladhiFeb 28, 2007 17:4279077
mob muslim contradiction [97 words]susanFeb 28, 2007 18:1079077
to mod.muslim [145 words]AnnaFeb 28, 2007 19:3479077
Susan [507 words]Moderate MuslimFeb 28, 2007 20:3479077
For our dear M&M and more fantasy [371 words]dhimmi no moreMar 1, 2007 06:0279077
peace.. [125 words]donvanMar 1, 2007 09:1879077
YES [87 words]Moderate MuslimMar 1, 2007 19:5079077
Strive to forgive what? [15 words]dhimmi no moreMar 2, 2007 17:2279077
don't believe you [65 words]susanMar 3, 2007 12:4879077
Response to Susan [153 words]moderate MuslimMar 5, 2007 20:0779077
educated fanatics.. [14 words]donvanMar 6, 2007 15:0079077
Anti-Semitic propaganda from our "Moderate" Muslim [340 words]Noah WilkMar 7, 2007 12:5179077
so many mistakes again [263 words]susanMar 7, 2007 15:0279077
NOT ANTI-SEMITIC [177 words]moderate muslimMar 7, 2007 17:4279077

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