Moderate Muslim why must you be so dishonest?
Submitted by Noah Wilk (United States), Feb 28, 2007 at 19:09
Moderate Muslim, what causes you to be so intellectually dishonest? Why are you so afraid to debate the facts and the issues and instead resort to spewing lies and propaganda and cowering from the actual debate? Could it be because you're Muslim, and that's the typical reaction of Muslims when confronted with the unpleasant realities of their death cult?
Let's explore your dishonesty point by point. You wrote:
"I challenge any one of you reading this to ask yourself if the destruction of over a billion people is needed"
First, where do you get the "destruction of over a billion people"? You phrase it as if that is my primary goal, a desired outcome, a first resort. This is a lie, and you know it. You lie like this because you're not man enough to tell the truth. I get tired of repeating myself, but it's my policy to call out liars and cowards. My goal is the deportation of Muslims and Islam from America and the Western countries, and containment within Arabia (the birthplace of Islam) until they reform their religion into a peaceful one...not a billion-person genocide. Yes, the threat of nuclear annihilation of Muslims is a part of my plan, if and only if they launch a massive terrorist attack on America or her allies. It is called a deterrent, and it was used successfully to prevent a nuclear war during the Cold War.
You clearly prefer to allow Muslims to commit terror, because you refuse to provide a powerful deterrent. In other words, if Muslims cease plotting mass terror attacks on America, there is literally a 0% chance of America launching a nuclear annihilation of Islam. What offends you is not Muslim terror, but rather my powerful deterrent. You're against the one deterrent that will force them to reform. You're more troubled by the response than by the initiating terror attack by the aggressor.
"or even if is is conscionable."
It's definitely conscionable. If you boil it down to the bottom line, it's better to wipe out 1 billion to save 6 billion. Better to wipe out Islam than to allow it to destroy the greatest and most freedom loving nations ever devised by man. Better to wipe out an evil, depraved ideology that worships death in order to protect billions who are threatened by it.
"IT IS WRONG. SO MUCH FOR FREEDOM OF RELIGION"
It is not wrong. And your complaint about freedom of religion is equally dishonest. It is one thing to allow freedom of religion. It is entirely another to allow a religion that is anathema to freedom, peace, and happiness, a religion that espouses the destruction of the host country, to exist within that country. This is no different than allowing Nazis to live, prosper, and spread their ideology in America during WWII. It's insane, and it's suicidal.
And don't you dare lecture me about freedom of religion! It's your fellow Muslims who suppress freedom of religion all around the world. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, UAE, Jordan, Egypt, Gaza...need I go on? Even here in America, your CAIR organization is trying to become the one and only religion in America and to institute Sharia law to supercede the Constitution. Muslims cannot live in peaceful coexistence even in the most free, more peaceful nation on earth. It's the height of arrogance and hypocrisy for Muslims to whine about freedom of religion when they are the ones most guilty of suppressing freedom of religion around the world.
"I am sad that people have such hatred and anger in their hearts."
Then it's your duty to go to the Islamic countries and heal them. Get their heads straight. Help them give up their hate. Because Islam is the greatest source of hatred and intolerance on this planet. No other ideology comes close to generating such all-encompassing hatred.
"Dhimmi, susan, plato, I wish that you guys would stop to think about what your hate would do to the world."
Why don't you worry about what the hate of your fellow Muslims is doing to the world? You don't see me, Susan, Dhimmi No More, and Plato beheading others for having a different religion, or stoning women for the "crime" of being raped, or flying airplanes into skyscrapers and murdering thousands of innocent people.
Typically, we have a Muslim lecturing us about hate, instead of working on removing the intense and unremitting hatred endemic to his own religion.
"How would Europe and Asia, ans well as South America feel if we destroyed a religion. "
Isn't that what you're trying to do? Killing all the Christians in Sudan? Muslim countries ganging up against Israel to try to wipe out Judaism (1948, 1956, 1967, 1973, 1982)? Iran threatening to wipe Israel off the map?
"We have alienated enough people by attacking Iraq. Genocide against Muslims would only continue to ostracize us and make us just as bad, if not worse than the NAzi's, certainly worse than Soviet Russia."
Here again you ...warp the argument. No one is advocating launching a nuclear annihilation against Islam tomorrow. Once again you are misrepresenting the arguments of some of us in an effort to not only villify us, but also to evade the debate. I (and others) am advocating the deportation of Islam and the isolation of Islam until it reforms from a violent death cult into a peaceful religion. What's wrong with forcing someone to better themselves before allowing them to be part of the civilized and free society to which the rest of us belong?
Your constant references and comparisons to Nazis exposes you as ...one who cannot honestly debate the issue. No one is advocating rounding up Muslims to gas them or to use them for medical experiments, and certainly not simply because they're Muslim. We're advocating removing them from our society because they are a severe threat to our way of life. If they reform into a peaceful religion, then certainly they'd be welcome back. Your accusations are as dishonest as you are.
"I acknowledge that there is a serious radical problem within Islam, but Islam is still a great religion."
Great as in "large, extensive", yes. Great as in "wonderful, magnificent", no, absolutely not.
Here's another challenge you will undoubtedly cower from (and thus cement more firmly my view of Muslims):
Show me how Islam is great (in the "magnificent" sense). Show me anywhere on Earth where Islam is making life better for people. Show me anywhere on Earth where Islam is completely tolerant of other religions and offers equal rights for women, Jews, and non-Muslims. Show me anywhere on Earth where Islam provides a better life for human beings than Christianity does, or for that matter than any Western country. Show me a country that Islam has been imported to where they exist peacefully with the society they've invaded.
Are you man enough to do that, or are you going to continue to ...evade?
"You guys complained that there are no Moderate Muslims. As soon as I show my face, you guys say i'm not moderate, you guys dont want to debate."
There you go again... You are the one refusing to debate.
We have answered all your questions and shot down your arguments. You on the other hand refuse to rise to the challenge or to debate the points we present. Just like you're going to evade and avoid my challenge one paragraph earlier. You have evaded the issues each and every time we raise them. We're onto your game.
"You just want to spew rhetoric, thinking you are reaching somebody, pretending as if you have importance on global matters."
No, we're simply presenting unpleasant truths about reality, about Islam, which you are not man enough to face and contend with, nor man enough to discuss.
"...For grown people, you certainly show a lack of maturity."
On the contrary, for a grown man, you certainly run like a child and avoid honest debate in preference to vilification, lies, and propaganda.
"You are not interested in an open debate, you have said this, you are only interested in telling people that you are right. In the end, you dont even care if you're right. You just want to think youre right. Its a power thing."
You're wrong if you think it is us avoiding debate. Go back a few paragraphs and answer my challenge to show us how Islam is "great" before you start accusing others of ducking the debate. Dishonest....
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