To Ianus: Just my observations not analytical history.
Submitted by Plato (India), Feb 24, 2007 at 03:10
"Between 1919-1922 the Moslem Turks fought a ruthless and fateful war against the Greeks."
That piece of history I was only aware of in a general way but not the details.
But your using the term Moslem Turks is of a piece with the use of Christian Nazis by Mulims to deflect accusations of atrocities committed by Muslims. You will be weakening your case about Muslim atrocities, which are practically numberless, if you let a secularist Ataturk's massacres take on the colour of a religious attack.
Now if the Ottoman Empire was still in existence and the Ottoman Caliphs being the religio-political head of Muslims, the charge that Muslims because of their religion were responsible for the massacres would hold water. Or if the Turks under Ataturk said they were exterminating the Greeks because of their religion.
" The demise of the Ottoman empire saw the emasculation of whatever military vigor the Muslims had." ? Would you mind elucidating that ?
Yes. Let me elucidate that. First the Middle East, the homeland of Islam. Israel with a tiny population compared to the surrounding Arabs has beaten and humiliated them for close to 60 years now. Every time an Arab dictator dares to raise his voice the US beats him down from thousands of kilometres away. Gaddafy, Saddam and all those Persian Gulf states hosting the US military are not signs of Muslim vigor. Pakistan, with its belief that one Muslim is the equivalent of 10 Hindus based on what the Koran says, has gone to war with India and has been humiliated at least three times and is now dismembered.
The vigor that you see in the Muslim world is the vigor of the fulminations of frustrated imams unable to explain the sorry condition of Muslims everywhere. Their Allah tells Muslims that he will give them victory over the infidels and that Muslims are his chosen people. So what can the imams do. They fill themselves and their Muslim listeners up with hot air to try and frighten the infidels. Those muscles you see require only a pin prick for them to collapse as you saw happen in the Middle East and in India.
And those are not authoritative statements but the observations of a very ordinary layman who is not a professional historian. Take them for what they are worth.
My comments in bold. Yours in inverted commas.
I will be the first to admit that my knowledge of history is of too general a nature. Detailed knowledge of the history of any region of the world is beyond my ken. All I do is pick up a piece of history which seems relevant to an argument and try and connect it to what is being discussed. I do not attempt an analysis of the events.
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