To Noah: Plato has now transmogrified into a third world supremacist
Submitted by Plato (India), Feb 22, 2007 at 00:27
and you, superior third worlders cannot get back to your ancient splendor?"
Susan you think we 3rd worlders were scrabbling for roots to survive. We do not consider ourselves superior. You are the ones who have burdened yourself with the 'white man's burden'. It was you (Thomas Macaulay) who claimed that "a single shelf of a good European library was worth the whole native literature of India and Arabia". Do you subscribe to that view Susan? If not why not?
"Looking back we shouldn't have given anything in return. after all, who helped the west when diseases was spreading in the middle ages?"
Oh yes it is Europe who gave them so much. You have the nerve to say that after shipping hundreds of thousands as slaves to slave markets and destroying whatever industrymthey possessed, which you consider non-existent,. You are Italian so you had no hand in it. Then don't talk about the West or Europe. Keep your comments exclusively to Italy which never had any colonies. Somalia, Eritrea, Libya were just dropped into Italy's lap and all you did there was build hospitals and schools for the savages you found there. Yes you should not have given anything in return it was the birthright of Europeans to exploit them as they did not have the technology to do anything with their own natural resources.
Just as now you believe that the West has the right to the oil under their lands as you gave them the technology to pump it. Yes the West has the divine right to the world's natural resources. If they refuse to sell it, it is an act of war. (If the infidels refuse to accept Allah and his Prophet, especially his Prophet, it is an act of war.)
"bla bla bla, because under the muslim rule india was so much better, you can see it from the outstanding prosperity of muslim countries, in and out of asia."
When you have no answer to what was pointed out just bleat like sheep. When British rule is being talked divert attention to Muslim rule and bleat like sheep. bla bla bla. That is a very good attention grabber.
"so what? the muslim "thinkers" avicenna and averroes had worse fate"
Muslim is as Muslim does. When Muslim atrocities are pointed out bring in the crusades, Hitler, American Indians. You see any difference in what you have done here?
"News flash for you, the protestant british are christians, not buddist, muslims or animists"
This news flash of yours is much appreciated. But please refer to your previous news flash: "Secondly, it was also the church that abolished inquisition, restored Galileo, pushed to abolish slavery and gave a kick to communism"
The Protestant church did not indulge in the inquisition, or persecute Galileo. They would not like to be bracketed with THE CHURCH on those issues. You are trying to dilute THE CHURCH's guilt in not taking the lead in fighting slavery by bringing in the protestants.
"the caste system is an invention of your superior tradition and culture, not mine, I just despise supremacist people"
This is what you wrote:"I don't talk to muslims, other than to offend them. There is no contact with me and those people."This what I wrote: "I see the beginnings of a new caste system."
You will offend Muslims, you will not deign to talk to them. Susan read about the caste system, that is the typical casteist attitude. Offend the lower castes, avoid contact with them.
"Iraq: troops are killing terrorists, is it our problem that the majority of people there are driven by violence?"
You problem is that you (the west) went in there without being invited on the excuse of the presence of weapons of mass destruction, looked high and low and had to sheepishly admit (Remember Colin Powel looking pretty stupid shaking a test tube filled with what, baking soda?) it was just an excuse for attacking Iraq. What did you expect the Iraqis to do? Lick your boots for shocking and awing them with your weapons of mass destruction?
"Lebanon = last time I checked their hobby is to kill christian politicians. Try to talk with lebanese christians around the world, you'd be surprised on how the killers are not the western people."
In full agreement there. Also you will be surprised (?) to know that the blockade that killed millions in Iraq were not by the Muslim people.
"sorry, I am not a suprematist like yourself that thinks there is a "largest democracy" or the "mother of parliaments". I just think there are stupid people elected as politicians that waste time for silly things. If you are so much offended by what is said by a TV show why don't you pull a muslim and burn a flag or kill someone?"
Mentioning that Indian is the largest democracy and that the British parliament is considered the mother of parliaments makes me a supremacist. Susan like the Muslims, who you are beginning to resemble, you are using a dictionary with peculiar definitions. Dictionary.com says a supremacist is a person who believes in or advocates the supremacy of a particular group, esp. a racial group: a white supremacist. Where can I buy the dictionary you use so that I can follow the train of your thoughts better.
And I brought up that subject because you sneeringly told me that unlike me you don't watch third rate Western TV shows. And since those stupid MPs from two great democracies were in a lather about what happened in the show I thought it would have shown up on your radar screen. Lucky you, you have a radar that shows you only what you want to see.
"Did italy conquer china, japan, korea, egypt, persia?"
This is what I wrote in full: Oh so the West brought civilisation to the 3rd world. And we have to be happy we were conquored and brutalised for centuries for the 'civilisation' you brought us. Apparently you have not heard of China, Japan, India, Korea, Egypt, Persia, the people who invented writing, right there in Iraq. And you had informed me about my madrassa-type education. It seems to have been just slightly better than Sunday Cathecism. And the Western civilisation just in the last century gave us your very own Mussolini, and the very civilised land of Kant, Goethe, Neitze, Max Planck, Einstein, Hisenberg also gave us people who made lamp shades out of the skins of Jews, and what else? It shames me, a lowly 3rd worlder, to remind you of them because I also as a member of the human race feel ashamed that I am member of a race that could reach that level of barbarism in the 20th century.
You pulled this out from somewhere in the middle: "Apparently you have not heard of China, Japan, India, Korea, Egypt, Persia, and the people who invented writing, right there in Syria/Iraq."
And your reply: DId italy conquered china, japan, korea, egypt, persia?
And I was the one with a severe reading comprehension problem here. I am so lucky you have stopped giving me free lessons in English comprehension. Maybe it is my English composition that is bad. I tend to be a bit cryptic instead of being long-winded.
"the invention of writing is disputed to be Armenia too."
I can come with many other such claims. Let the experts accept it.
"then give it up, your posts are useless, join the local imam in the spreading of the supremacist cult you like so much"
I know you have done giving me free lessons so let me guess the supremacist cult I like so much. Over several posts you have been highlighting my Kumbaya background. Kumbayas groups have now transmogrified in your mind into supremacists. I will tell my Kumbaya group about reading and watch their shreiks of laughter. You had also discovered that I am a leftist communist. They will also have a belly laugh when I tell my local study circle that you think they are supremacists. They say laughter is the best medicine. Us Kumbayas and leftist communists are going to shake off quite a few diseases this weekend. And you have said I am a self-loather. A self-loathing supremacist. Now I have heard it all.
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