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Submitted by Plato (India), Feb 18, 2007 at 06:14

"The Moors forced Christians to live as second class citizens (ie dhimmis) and expelled Jews at various times."

Aren't we talking of some very ancient societies here. The ancient Greeks and the Romans also did not have such a good record on human rights. Nor did the Christians of those times. The Muslims are known to have treated their Christian and Jewish subjects a lot better than the Christians did the Jews or the Christian sects each other. That is the history I was referring to. Their history is not as you insist an unbroken shade of black.

Your knowledge of history I am sure is superior to mine. But which countries have the Muslims invaded and conquored over the last 100 years or so. Between Britain, France and the Dutch the Europeans invaded and controlled large tracts of Muslim territory for nearly two centuries. The demise of the Ottoman empire saw the emasculation of whatever military vigor the Muslims had. The last century saw the most powerful Muslim country military-wise dismembered by India. Militarily the Muslims are in the iron age. You Noah are terrified of a people whose beliefs verge on the childish to say the least. Their religious leaders tell them that the science in the Koran tells them that the earth is flat (the Saudi imam), that the stars are Allah's missiles to drive away the devils trying to listen in on his conferences (the Koran), the sun sets in a muddy pool ,their universities discuss in all seriousness the importance of the niqab, whereas a lowly ranked university in your country has far more intellectual power and vigor than the entire Muslim world combined. You a country with a 12 trillion dollar economy, instead of leading the world seems intent on dominating it. For this you have created the bogeyman of the Muslim terrorist, based on Bin Laden, mosque and madrassa rantings, Saudi school texts,Taliban suicide bombings, all horriying collectively and separately, but pinpricks nevertheless. They are not even bogemen, they are strawmen.

That leaves the migratory attack of which you are so terrified. You have a right to be, given their proclivity to have more children than the average. Simply ban any and every type of inward immigration. Accept the fait accompli of the existing Muslims, they will never be able to grow to the numbers needed. Deporting them is the dream plan that will relieve you of your nightmare but unfortunately it can come true only in your dreams just as the migratory takeover will remain a dream for the Islamists.

"Liberals are backing the war? What poll is that? Most Americans are against the war, liberal or otherwise."

Did not Congress approve when Bush went to war. Did not Hilary Clinton vote for the war? What is Congress composed of. Liberals or Hawks? Most Americans are against war after seeing the coffins come home.

"Again, this is irrelevant to the topic. We cannot change ..."

Why is this irrelevant and not the history of the Muslims? How come you pick and choose what is relevant. Why are the atrocities committed by the Muslims in the past relevant and not the Christian ones.

"Which should end immediately. We don't need soldiers on the ground to deal with the Muslims if they start trouble."

Really? What if they refuse to sell you THEIR oil. Vaporise them?

"The truth. Bush never served. He's a politician, not a soldier. At least when John Adams was president, he had the common sense to appoint Washington as commander-in-chief, because Adams had no military knowledge. I'd bet you money that Bush has never been in any sort of serious combat (personal assault, etc) in his life. He's about as qualified to run the military as Mother Theresa is."

Bad sentence construction on my part. I mean the US as the leader of the Free World. Anyway hardly any democratic country's leader has any fighting experience except maybe some fisticuffs in kindergarten. Several military dictators ruled in Pakistan and went to war with India and came off second best every time with Indian politicians who had not seen the business end of even a pistol leading them to victory. And one of them was a woman. So was Thatcher successful against the Argentinan military dictator. That argment does not hold water.

"No, no. You're taking that wrong. I said that Bush and the people calling the shots in the war have no idea how to manage a war. Most of them have never seen combat. Let Dick Marcinko run the war, and it would have been over and settled inside 90 days. Our soldiers know how to fight. The problem is that they're stuck obeying idiot politicians who would have trouble figuring out which end of a rifle the bullets come out of."

What, do you want a military dictatorship in the US. You seem to have no faith in the democratic heritage of your country. Lincoln was a civilian. He beat the South whose president was a military man. Almost all democracies are headed by civilians and democracies have a record of winning wars that is unmatched,even headed by a civilian and with an opponent who has a military background.

"Ah, but there is a fundamental and gaping flaw in your argument. We've never actively been trying to keep the Mexicans out. Ted Kennedy led the march for amnesty and lax enforcement of immigration back in the 60's and it's been a joke ever since...."

"For one thing, we ban immigration from any Islamic country or country with Islamic majorities. We ban all people of Middle eastern descent unless and until they can prove they are not Muslim. Yes, it takes work. America has gotten fat and lazy, that's the problem."

The Mexican problem was just a shot in the dark as I have been reading about it for some time now and I could see you were wasting your time. I will concede that you have a greater grip on what is going wrong. But that is the whole point despite most Americans wanting to stop the inflow there are always gaps in one form or other. Same applies to banning / screenng all incoming people. Good luck with your plan to make Americans lean and mean.

"No, it is not thought control. We are not telling people what to think. We would be banning a socio-political cult movement that is hell bent on destroying our country. That's not thought control, it's common sense"

As a democrat I am sure you would want to test your idea in the crucible of public opinion. The far-right probably thinks the liberals are hell bent on destroying your country. The Bible belt probably considers homosexual freedom a sure recipe for destroying the country.

"Like I said, how to they get into America? We ban immigrants from Muslim countries. They cannot fly in or boat/ship in. There are no trains running across the ocean last I checked. No busses either. We have no common border for them to walk/drive/tunnel across. So how would they arrive? They don't have a Star Trek Starship that they can teleport in by."

Are you going to sew up your country tighter than a gnat's a...? Your free world is going to come crashing down on you when you put in those draconian measures. As I said all that you think you are protecting will turn into ashes. Of course that is my opinion, and your opinion of me is as a close to gnat's a... as it can get.

"Again, this is irrelevant to the topic. We cannot change history, nor can we condone what was done. This does not justify Muslims coming to the country to destroy it. Two wrongs don't make a right. What is your purpose for constantly bringing it up? I have already admitted more than a few times that what we did to the Native Americans was horrendous and unjustifiable by any stretch of the imagination. But again, there is nothing we can do about it. We don't have time machines and therefore there is no point in discussing it. America has learned since then, just as we abolished slavery. We moved forward and formed the greatest country on earth where people enjoyed rights never before seen in the history of mankind."

Can today's Muslims do anything about what their forebears did? There is nothing they can do about it except accept that their ancestors did it. You are pessimistic that they will ever accept that. I believe if presented properly they will accept it and are accepting it. Your refrain is today's Muslims are mirror images of their forefathers. That is our point of departure.

"Again, tell me what method they will use to get in if they cannot arrive in airplanes or on ships. They are on the other side of the world. They can't teleport. So how do they get in? We'd have the borders protected. I mean actual protection, not the joke it is now. How do they get in?"

Rafts, Canada. From India, Philippines, Thailand wherever there are Muslims which is practically everywhere. Noah why can't you accept reality. You are living in a dream world where you are able to keep track of every Muslim who wants to get in and explode mass destruction devices in your country. They stay out a hundred kilometres off shore and let the wind carry some hellish virus into the mainland. I know you will hit out blindly at all Isamic sounding countries and vaporise them for the greater good of mankind, especially of the American variety.

"How do you figure? It's absurd to say "what one or two did" when 70% of Jordanians favor using suicide bombings against Americans. I've never understood this compulsion to minimize the number of fanatics that constitute Islam. Is it a fear that if we admit the truth, that the vast majority are either violent or apologists for the violence, that we'll be forced to actually face the threat and deal with it?"

You seem to be quite sure Jordanian opinion is representative of Muslim opinion. Remember that a good number of Jordanians are actually displaced Palestinians. That tell you something?

"I hardly think Al Qaeda or Pakistan pulled the strings. This is how Muslims around the world react all the time. Do the research."

I think you Americans are naive. If you take care of two countries, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia a good part of the terrorism problem will be solved. Pakistan is the epicentre of the Islamic terrorism enterprise. Driven by the Deobandi ideology of a literal interpretation of the Koran the Deobandis think using the Koran as the guiding scripture Islam can be imposed on the world. Interestingly Maulana Maududi the founder of the fundamentalist islamic organisation Jamaat e islami was against the vivisection of India based on the fact that the Islamic enterprise was not complete in India as there still remained millions of more souls to be saved. I attach an interesting interview that was forwarded to me*. You will see why I consider Pakistan (and Saudi Arabia) to be the epicentre of the Islamic enterprise.

* Interview with Nawabzadaa Nabiullah Khan

This interview was published in February 1999 issue

of "Jamhooria Islamia" a monthly Baluchi magazine published

from Panj-gar

Thanks to Jamil Baloch and Omar Nasr-Ullah who did the translation. --

Interview with Nawabzadaa Nabiullah Khan

Interviewed by Jalil Amir ---

Q:Please tell us about your stay with Qazi Hussain Ahmed

A:Qazi has two bungalows in Peshawar. We spent lot of time

in both the houses. The first house is where his family

lived and the second house was his office and rest house.

But he used to meet all his friends and relatives and

political workers only in his family house. He made sure at

least for 3 days in a week, Qazi and his close friends used

to spend time in his rest house. Unlike his family house,

the rest house had all the amenities that one can think of.

It had 36-inch television. 2 satellite dishes to receive

all kinds of telecasts from all over the world. He had made

extensive notes on all the telecasts. We used to discuss

all the things under the sun in his rest house.

I had a habit of drinking small amounts of wine. Qazi never

drank or smoked. Qazi knew about my weakness for wine. He

advised me not to drink and asked me to follow the steps of

Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) . Though I had a habit of drinking

only in very small amounts of fine wine just before dinner,

on Qazi's insistence, I left that habit. When I was

studying in engineering college, I had started the habit of

smoking too. I left that habit after Qazi's advice on

smoking.

I stayed with Qazi for almost 6 years in Peshawar. I did

not agree to some of the strategies used by JI during the

after Zia years. Qazi is a very practical man while I was

more of an idealist at that time. I was insisting that the

JI should not rely on ballot as the only route to power.

Qazi was insisting that ballot is the only way for JI to

come to power in Pakistan. This introduced a sense of

alienation between Qazi and me. Hence when I went to

Baluchistan to meet my parents, I stayed back rather than

going back to Peshawar. Even though almost weekly once we

talk over phone, Qazi never called me back to stay with him

and I found my work as the Jamaat teacher in Quetta where I

stay now with my parents and family.

Yet, my years with Qazi in Peshawar and around the world

with him were the most satisfying years in my life

intellectually.

Q: What are Qazi's views on Islam and Prophet Mohammad

(PBUH)

A: Qazi was a great admirer and student of Prophet Mohammad

(PBUH) . He modeled his whole thoughts and life on the life

and teachings of Mohammad (PBUH). I was astounded many

times by Qazi when he does a small thing, he will

immediately compare that incident with an incident in Al-

Hadith and explain that he did what Prophet Mohammad (PBUH)

did 10 centuries ago. I had never seen a person who had

modeled his whole life on sayings and teachings of Prophet

Mohammad (PBUH) like Qazi.

Q: The women issue is very controversial nowadays. Taliban

and some fundamentalist organizations restrict the freedom

of women. While some progressive Muslim intellectuals are

insisting that the women are equal to men in all spheres.

What are Qazi's views on women?

A: As I said earlier, the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH)'s views

on women are the exact views of Qazi. Equality of men and

women is stupidity. What men can do, women cannot do and

what women can do, men cannot do. Women are weak physically

and mentally compared to men. For this we do not need any

proof other than to just look at men and women. Men have to

take care of women all the time. If some women do not have

any male relatives, then they have to find a man and marry

him so that he will take care of her. Women should not have

life outside the family. Education can be provided to them

but not to compete with men in public. Neither they can

fight in war nor they can be of use in peacetime politics.

Qazi had said once that JI comes to power in Pakistan, he

will abolish the voting rights of women and minorities.

Only the Muslim men can participate in voting or standing

for elections. When I asked the proof from Hadiths, he had

quoted many Hadiths in support of that. I asked him why is

that it is never talked openly in the public by Jamaat.

Qazi had said that the hints are all over the place. But JI

did not make it a big issue since the women who currently

have the voting may vote against JI in the elections if

such a thing is said openly. For this I was against. in my

opinion, since all the main leaders of Jamaat believes that

women will not have voting rights after they come to power,

they should openly say that. If you do not say now and then

you remove the voting rights later when you come to power,

that is going to build a resentment among the people. But

Qazi was firmly of the opinion that JI should not say that

now.

Q:That brings us to the question of minorities. Will they

have to pay Jizya tax?

A:Yes. They have to pay the tax. As explained by Qazi, the

idea of Jizya is not protection money. But it is a monetary

force on the non-Muslim to convert to Islam. Once the

Jamaat comes to power, the minorities will be induced

(forced) to become Muslims either by monetary or

psychological factors. JI is already equating the India

with Hindus so that the Hindus of Pakistan will be forced

to become Muslims. This was very successful strategy during

the Babri Masjid riots. JI actively involved in destroying

the Hindu temples in Punjab and Sindh. We ordered the

destruction of the Hindu family property too. But our main

aim was to destroy the Hindu temples. We wrote the JI

pamphlets that destroying each pagan temple make a Muslim

move closer to heaven of Allah. We used the Hadiths in all

the pamphlets. Babar destroyed the Ram temple in Ayodhya.

Because he was a true believer. The same way every Muslim

should take upon himself to destroy the Hindu temples in

Pakistan. Our idea was to encourage the Muslims of India

also to destroy the Hindu temples in India. But this was

not met with much success since the Hindu police in India

started attacking the Muslims who were doing the Allah's

duty.

Q: What kind of government that JI envisages for Pakistan?

A: It will be the Sharia govt. Sharia will be made our

constitution so that the eminent Muslim scholars who had

completed the schooling in Madrassas will be appointed as

the Judges in every court. Qazi wanted to make the

presidium on the same model as the Khalifa. Presently our

ideas is that the entire top leadership of JI as well as

all three military Generals will be part of the presidium

for which the Qazi will be the Kalifa. We are keenly

watching the progress of Taliban and learning from it. We

are impressed with the Taliban on the women issue,

minorities issue and law and order issue. Mullah Omar is a

great friend of Qazi. Omar had visited his house many

times. In the tentative talks, we had decided to form union

of Pakistan and Afghanistan once the right conditions are

set in Pakistan (i.e. the JI government in Pakistan). Our

motto is Constant Jihad. The idea is to keep Pakistan in a

constant state of Jihad all the time. Qazi's vision is that

Pakistan will be center of the new Islamic Empire that

stretches from Burma to Afghanistan and from Srilanka to

Tajikistan including Kashmir. Towards that end, Jamaat will

use all tactics from terrorism in the kafir-controlled

areas to negotiations in the Muslim controlled areas.

Already the Jamaat leaders of Bangladesh and Jamaat leaders

of India had accepted the primacy of Pakistani leadership

in this regard.

Q: Do they come to Pakistan?

A: Yes. We had made arrangements once in Peshawar and

another time in Multan during the Zia time. But the

understanding remains even now.

Q: What about Srilanka and Burma?

A: Both are Buddhist nations. For that matter even

Baluchistan and Afghanistan were Buddhist once while Sindh

and Punjab were Hindu earlier. Buddhists are generally

weaker in matters of faith. Hence we hope they will become

Muslim with a little pressure. But that will happen only

after Jamaat conquers first Pakistan and then India.

Q: What are the plans for India? It looks like entire India

policy of Jamaat revolves around Kashmir.

A: Yes that is true. But that is for a very good reason.

See Kashmir is like a keystone that sits on a top of the

arch. It is true that the arch holds the entire weight of

the keystone. But if you remove the keystone, then the

whole arch falls down. That is why it is called keystone.

Kashmir is the keystone for India. Once you remove that,

then India can no longer be secular and it will not be a

united country either. like the stones of the arch, all the

bricks will fall down. Qazi impressed this idea upon Zia.

Hence Zia started the Operation Topac. Operation Topac's

idea is not to get Kashmir for Pakistan as thought of by

Indian analysts. Operation Topac is much more. The ultimate

aim of Operation Topac is to make India a million pieces so

that it is easy for Pakistan to swallow India once piece at

a time. That is why Pakistan was encouraging the militancy

movements all over India. Once Kashmir is taken out, these

militancy movements will break India by asking the similar

freedom for Nagaland, Kerala, Mizoram, Meghalaya, Manipur,

Assam, Jharkand, Tamil Nadu, West Bengal and Khalistan. But

Benazir destroyed our whole plan by giving away the details

of the operation Topac to Indian govt. led by Rajiv Gandhi.

That was a big set back for our vision. But yet we are

moving ahead.

Q: I heard that she gave away only details about Khalistan

movement.

A: That is true. In my opinion, that is why I think the

damage is limited. India thinks and deals with separatist

movements in different parts of India as if they are

genuine movements even now. In that way, I say, the damage

is limited.

Q: Do you think if the states if India became independent

countries, no such similar movement will start in Pakistan

itself?

A: No. Jiye Sindh movement and small separatist movements

in Baluchistan and Peshawar are contained. We are not going

to deal with the separatism in Pakistan as India treats the

separatists. It will be Taliban style. Actually we do not

foresee any position for opposition in JI ruled Pakistan.

Hence the BNP and Pakhtoonkwa leaders will be made

irrelevant.

A: Coming back to the same point, If India to become many

countries how do you deal with the individual Hindu states.

They may even become big enemies of Pakistan. Or they may

again regroup to challenge Pakistan.

A: Qazi and other people had already discussed this

possibility. In our opinion, such a thing is not possible

since the language and cultural differences between states

in India are enormous. There is no language like Urdu to

bind all Indians. English and not Hindi that is common

language between all the states of India. Hence we have

planned to start riots in each state against the

neighborhood state people so that the states will always be

at the state of war. For example there are lot of

Kannadigas in TamilNadu and Telugu in Madras. We will start

the anti -telugu riots in Madras, which will keep the

Andhrapradesh and TamilNadu fighting. If we keep a bomb in

Telugu Cinema Theater in Madras and keep a bomb in Tamil

Movie Theater in Andhra, the war between Tamilnadu and

Andhra will run for eternity. The similar things can be

done in Assam cultural center in Bengal and Hindi prachar

sabha in Orissa. Given the differences between the

nationalities in India, the options for Pakistan are

endless. Qazi's vision is to make entire India a 100%

Muslim Nation. A United India, where Hindus are majority is

an impediment to that. Like Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) made

Muslims out of pagans of Arabia, Qazi also wants to make

Muslims out of the pagans of India.

Q: This is a great vision since this was not even possible

for the Muslim dynasties and Moguls who ruled India for the

last 700 years.

A: True. That is because they had never really established

the Muslim Empire. Though the Kings were Muslims they had

entertained the Hindus in positions of power. When you make

an unequivocal statement that only Muslims are voters and

declare that India is Islamic republic, then automatically

the people will become Muslims. Little bit of terror had to

be applied to the heart of Hindus and Christians. I will

give you a best example. The portions now constitute

Pakistan had 25% Hindu population before Independence.

After independence lot of Hindus migrated to India. Yet

after the migration, Pakistani Hindu population was 15%. Do

you know what is the percentage now? It is less than 1%.

How was this made possible? How did the Hindus converted to

Islam in a short span of 20 years whereas for 700 years

they had never converted to Islam? That is purely because

of the terror of the partition. That terror forced the

Hindus who remained in Pakistan to become Muslims. Pure and

simple. JI used similar techniques in Punjab and Sindh each

time a riot breaks out in India, we had used that pretext

to strike terror among the Hindus, Christians and

Ahmaddiahs. The similar terror will be at the heart of the

every non-Muslim both Hindu as well as Christian in coming

years in entire India. Qazi is a analytical genius who

knows every strategy that is used by Prophet Mohammad

(PBUH) will be and should be used in India to achieve the

total submission to Allah.

Q: Do you envision a possibility that when the Kashmir

becomes part of Pakistan, there could be large-scale riots

in India against Indian Muslims? Hence unwittingly Kashmir

could lead to more deaths of Indian Muslims and damage

Islamic Ummah.

A: Yes that is a possibility. But our ideology is based on

Quran and Hadiths. Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) in numerous

Hadiths and Allah in Quran had said that any Muslim who

associates with a polytheist in a polytheist. Muslims

cannot be friendly with a non-Muslim. This includes the

Christians, Jews and Hindus. Also Mohammad (PBUH) says that

even if the Muslim ruler is not good, the Muslims stay with

the ruler than to go out to a non-Muslim country. Hadiths

and Quran are very explicit regarding this. All the Muslims

who did not migrate to Pakistan during Partition are in

essence Hindus. They may think that they are Muslims. But

not before Allah. They are as self-deluded as the

Ahmaddiahs who think they are Muslims when everyone knows

that they are not Muslims. Hence the Muslims of India who

had decided to stay in India during partition are not

Muslims and their progeny are not Muslim (since they did

not migrate to Muslim lands). Another thing that I noticed

in my journeys in India is that the Hindu farmers generally

offer their entire harvest to their gods at the end of

their harvesting season. This makes the entire crop as

haram for Muslims. Yet these so called Muslims of India are

forced to eat this food which was already offered to some

other God other than Allah thallah. This is explicitly

forbidden in Quran. And this is one of the serious problems

of living in non-Muslim countries. Prophet Mohammad (PBUH)

knew such things; that is why he ordered Muslims not to

live in non-Muslim areas. Yet knowingly these so called

Muslims live in India. Again all the Muslims who migrate to

other countries and US are non-Muslims. Only the Muslims

who intend to come back are Muslims not the ones who decide

to stay in such countries.

Hence we do not care if such Indian Muslims die in the

riots. But due to strategy reasons we do have excellent

relations with these Muslims. All the Muslims who work for

Pakistan and for glory of Ummah are real Muslims. They are

our front line troops in non-Muslim countries. Hence we

have to distribute the arms and ammunitions to these real

Muslims in case of riots come to their door.

Whereas the Kashmiri Muslims are pure Muslims who are

toiling under the yoke of Hindu rule. They are victimized

by the international conspiracy to keep them under the

Hindu rule. That issue is part of the incomplete partition.

Whereas the Indian Muslims have accepted partition and

stayed on in India knowingly.

Q: Yet the popular uprising in Kashmir was missing in 1965

as well as in 1948.

A: That is true. That may be because of the clout of Sheik

Abdullah of Kashmir during 1948 war. Actually the Muslim

population in Jammu Kashmir was only marginally higher than

Hindus. Muslims constituted 58% while the non-Muslims

constituted the 42%. Hence the operation Topac aimed at

eliminating the Kashmiri Pandits from the valley. We

thought all of them will go to India. Instead many went to

Jammu and only very little went to India. Hence we had to

ask Harkatul to start terrorising the Hindus in Jammu. We

also expected large scale war against Muslims in Jammu as

well as in all the parts of India because of the killings.

Indian govt suppressed these information. Another thing

that was not done is the complete removal of Buddhists and

Hindus from Jammu and Kashmir. We could do only in Valley

and not in jammu and Ladakh. Hence the population of

Muslims in Jammu and Kashmir is around 65% only according

to Harkatul.

Q: Tell us about your stay in Saudi Arabia.

A: We embarked on a Umra as team of JI leaders. of course,

Zia had arranged every convenience for us. We were

accommodated in a Sheik's house. He is one of the richest

Builders in Saudi Arabia. He owns few gold shops in Qatar

too. Sheik was a personal friend of Zia Ul Haq. During the

time of Zia, we were not politically active. Since Zia did

whatever Qazi wanted, there was no need for political power

either. Hence we had lot of time. That is the main reason

why we stayed 3 full months in Sheik's palace. This sheik

comes from a Bedouin family of southwestern Arabia. He had

the habit of drinking camel urine and camel milk early in

the morning. I asked him why does he do that? He replied

that it is the family tradition as well as Islamic practice

that is supported by Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). I was

astounded. But Qazi explained to me that it is true. He

told me three or four Hadiths in which the camel urine and

camel milk drinking is suggested. So Qazi wanted to drink

the camel urine and camel milk along with the Sheik. Since

I could not bring up myself to drink the camel urine, I

drank only fresh camel milk, which was thick and frothy.

But Qazi drank the camel urine and camel milk the same

amount and same time as the sheik. Qazi astounded me in

this incident. I am amazed by the fact that Qazi was ready

to go any length to mould his life in the teachings of the

prophet.

Q: Does he continue to do that even today?

A: No. He bought a camel after coming to Pakistan. Three

years later he had kidney stones problem. As per the

doctor's advice he had to stop drinking the urine while he

continued the drinking camel milk. Doctor advised him to

stop drinking the milk as well since the camel milk is rich

in calcium compared to the cow milk. I think he stopped

drinking any milk or milk products. But he had said that

once JI comes to power in Pakistan, he will popularize the

camel milk and camel urine drinking in Pakistan. But I

doubt he can do that. In my opinion, only camel milk can be

popularized.

Q: That is quite news to me. How was your stay in Arabia

otherwise?

A: First I have to tell you that Saudi Arabia, as a country

name, is wrong. It is Just Arabia. Only that Saudi dynasty

rules over some parts of Arabia. You cannot put your name

before a holyland as if you own that land. For Pakistan if

Nawaz rules it, will it become Sheriff Pakistan and

tomorrow Bhutto rules it and will it become Bhutto

Pakistan?

Anyway, one thing we noticed is that the Arabians own

slaves. Though Allah says that the slaves should be treated

in a nice manner, he did not advocate the abolition of

slavery. If slavery is bad as considered in today's world,

Allah certainly would have said that the slavery is wrong.

Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) also said that the slaves should be

treated in a good manner and the slaves should be released

often. But if there is no slavery how can anyone release

slaves? Hence the reintroduction of slavery in Pakistan is

one of the future plans of Jamaat. All the captured Hindu

Indians and Srilankans will be made slaves to work for

Pakistani Muslims. Every God abiding Pakistani Muslim will

get slaves once we conquer India. All the slaves who

embrace Islam will be set free. Slavery is Islamic. Jamaat

is the only political party, which does not voice any

opposition to the slavery of Harees (defeated) in Pakistan.

We went around all over Arabia. We were surprised to know

that there are some Hindus in Yemen. These ancient Yemeni

Hindus are not Indians. In my opinion, these Hindus are

traders from India in the ancient times. I was also

surprised to know that they have a Shiva temple in Yemen.

Qazi was very unhappy over this. When he talked to Yemen

leaders, he broached this subject. But the Yemeni leaders

refused Qazi's suggestion of forced conversion of these

people to Islam. I don't know why they refuse. I think it

may be due to the large population of Hindus from India who

work in Yemen and Arabia. He disliked the current

leadership of Arabia for this reason. In his opinion,

Arabia should not allow any non-Muslim into holy lands of

Arabia. Arabia should be 100% pure. Large number of Hindus

in Arabia is corrupting the Arabians. Though they live as

contractors, they have the potential of corrupting the

minds of the Arabians. One such thing is the presence of

Arabians in Qatar Hindu temple. First the king allowed the

Hindus to build a temple and church in the holy lands there

by polluting the Holy Land. Second is that even a member of

the Royal family visit that temple to inaugurate that

temple. To the horror of Qazi he had learnt that one of the

powerful member of Qatar royal family is a devotee of a god

called Aayanppan. This news resolved Qazi to fight the

force of the devil thousand fold.

Q: Such things happen in Pakistan today. I mean a friend of

mine goes to a Hindu temple. Another friend goes to church

meetings.

A: Yes. One of Qazi's relatives wanted to become a Hindu.

He did not have a child for many years and it seems he had

prayed to a Hindu God and got the child. Hence he felt

thankful to that god and wanted to become a Hindu. Qazi got

to know of this and called him and threatened him dire

consequences. That relative did not become a Hindu. But

that incident made Qazi read more about apostasy. Quran and

Hadith clearly say the punishment for abandonment of Islam

is death. Since Sharia is not the law in Pakistan, and the

current Pakistani constitution grants right to change the

religion, it is legally correct to declare oneself as Hindu

or Christian. But once JI takes over the government, it

will make Sharia as the constitution. Then Pakistan also

legally execute any person who leaves Islam and joins

Ahmaddiah, Christianity or Hinduism the same way Iran and

Taliban treats its apostates. He also opined that the

presence of the Hindu temples in Pakistan is the root cause

of the problem and hence we want to destroy all the Hindu

temples and Churches in Pakistan.

Q: This brings us into another area. Right now Internet is

becoming widespread. Even Saudi Arabia is connected with

outside world. Destroying the temples may be good but how

we can insulate the Pakistani and Muslim people against the

corrupting knowledge totally?

A: JI had taken a principled stand on the matter of science

and religion. Religion is far superior to science. Whatever

man needs to know is in Quran and Hadiths. Knowing more

will create problems like the Atom bomb and Television.

Quran and Hadiths are explicit in denouncing pictures. Yet

the lure of Satan in the form of photography and television

is eating our lives. Music previously was confined only to

the vocal singing. Now science and technology made the

music widespread at a cheaper price. These are the lures of

Satan. We have to on guard against these harami things.

Hence more science and technology is bad for the

civilization. I had completed civil engineering. Hence I am

privy to scientific knowledge. I can tell you how

corrupting that is. It even makes you question the glorious

Quran. There are many Hadiths, which say that the earth is

flat. But any science will tell you the earth is a sphere.

But you can use the same science like relativity theory to

prove that the earth is flat. It is the same case with

evolution. But the point being that the doubt is sown in

the minds of the people on the validity of Quran as the

word of God. More and more we work hard in proving the

Quran's scientific correctness, more and more people will

get apprehensive of the truth of Quran. This is an

abomination. This is why when we talk of education, we talk

of religious education and not scientific education.

It is true that science grew after Prophet's revolution in

Arabia. That was start of science. Now each and every

science is filled with anti-god stuff. If you want to

become a doctor, you have to read evolution. If you have to read any engineering you have to believe in the billions of years old universe theory which effectively says that the human beings came to world only in just one or two million years back.

Q: But we still need the arms and knowledge of western world, which believes in science. And again you had referred to television as evil. If we abolish photography

how can we have passports or identification cards?

A: Yes. That is strategic. With the help of Allah, we will be given oil for them to run their cars and we will have arms in that place. We will use their arms to destroy them in the course of time. As for as photos are concerned, they will be banned as it is done in Afghanistan. If there is no need for people to go out of Pakistan where is the need for the passports? For those who have to travel to other countries like the leaders of the revolution, they only will be given the passport with photos. For that, we will allow limited photography licensed only to govt. And the biggest corruption in today's Pakistan is Indian satellite TV and Indian cinemas and Indian

Noah, I will split this post into two halves. Smaller posts tend to come out less jumbled.

Submitting....

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dhimmi, READ YOUR OWN EVIDENCE FIRST [225 words]moderate MuslimMar 30, 2007 19:3088065
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The poor Arabic translation of Picktall another wannabe Arab! [446 words]dhimmi no moreApr 3, 2007 07:2688065
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Moderate Muslim corners himself! [393 words]Noah WilkApr 7, 2007 16:2488016
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easy [51 words]susanApr 8, 2007 07:1888016
the 1960's [27 words]moderate MuslimApr 8, 2007 22:2488016
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noah [62 words]moderate MuslimApr 10, 2007 21:4888016
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an addendum and my source for the hadith literary criticism [20 words]dhimmi no moreMar 28, 2007 07:0687974
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No, I respect many [89 words]moderate MuslimMar 30, 2007 19:2587974
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numbers matter [54 words]susanApr 1, 2007 10:1387974
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Islam and Terror [1398 words]moderate Muslim AmericanMar 22, 2007 17:4387720
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6Nothing's more fun than debunking "Muslim Logic" [2959 words]Noah WilkMar 23, 2007 21:1887720
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M&M and David Chappelle exposed [147 words]dhimmi no moreMar 25, 2007 09:1487720
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you just proved how ignorant islamphobes are [82 words]Islamophobic ignoranceMar 28, 2007 15:2687720
1Precisely why we condemn you [380 words]Noah WilkMar 28, 2007 17:1887720
The little olive institute [32 words]dhimmi no moreMar 28, 2007 17:4587720
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thanks.. [8 words]moderate MuslimMar 28, 2007 19:2087720
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like you said something... [91 words]susanMar 29, 2007 13:5087720
we need ears to listen and eyes to see [252 words]Islamophobia no more...Mar 29, 2007 16:3887720
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Our dear Islamophobia no more and his little diatribes [48 words]dhimmi no moreApr 2, 2007 19:5487720
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skewed perception of Islamophobes [138 words]Islamophobia no moreApr 3, 2007 03:0387720
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an Islamophobe [259 words]Islamophobia no moreApr 3, 2007 03:3287720
cair wants sharia [39 words]susanApr 3, 2007 03:3987720
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YOU DON'T GET THE POINT [19 words]moderate MuslimApr 3, 2007 20:2787720
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no matter how you turn it [67 words]susanApr 4, 2007 14:5187720
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islamophobia, the stupidest word ever invented [124 words]susanApr 5, 2007 16:3087720
Cair and other people [171 words]moderate MuslimApr 5, 2007 22:1587720
CAIR [374 words]Noah WilkApr 6, 2007 14:5587720
Why then do you support it? [290 words]Noah WilkApr 6, 2007 15:0387720
cair = sharia = stone age [70 words]susanApr 6, 2007 15:1987720
Noah [124 words]moderate MuslimApr 6, 2007 23:4087720
M&M CAIR (big time LOL) and his flawed logic! [344 words]dhimmi no moreApr 7, 2007 08:3787720
Yes, Moderate Muslim, you ARE responsible! [516 words]Noah WilkApr 7, 2007 16:4587720
ROTFL [44 words]dhimmi no moreApr 7, 2007 18:3787720
al-Shari3a [10 words]dhimmi no moreApr 7, 2007 18:3987720
CAIR and mockery [26 words]dhimmi no moreApr 8, 2007 11:4087720
i'll see [37 words]moderate MuslimApr 8, 2007 22:3487720
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islam & terror [627 words]John EdwardsOct 27, 2009 15:1387720
Religion of Peace. [39 words]Phillip SherryAug 28, 2019 05:4487720
so here are you answers more if you want em [29 words]moderate MuslimMar 20, 2007 19:3287302
Moderate Muslim fails again! [1415 words]Noah WilkMar 21, 2007 15:3287302
mauritania has got legal slavery, allowed in islam [15 words]susanMar 21, 2007 16:5787302
MM [230 words]JaladhiMar 21, 2007 18:0187302
handshake with Kuffar? "Muslim debate schemes" and other sordid matters! [599 words]dhimmi no moreMar 22, 2007 07:5187302
morocco 50% literacy rate [18 words]susanMar 22, 2007 10:0387302
"Muslim debate schemes"! part deux [452 words]dhimmi no moreMar 24, 2007 14:1087302
Dhimmi No More - defenders of the faith have left town!!! [40 words]JaladhiMar 26, 2007 16:5687302
Your answer Plato (which is a really bad name for you, because it dishonores someone who actually thought [169 words]Moderate MuslimMar 20, 2007 19:1887298
Was the post for me? [45 words]PlatoMar 21, 2007 08:3087298
Try paying attention, Moderate Muslim [570 words]Noah WilkMar 21, 2007 17:5587298
blatantly clear? LOL [178 words]dhimmi no moreMar 21, 2007 19:5087298
To MM: Would Mohammed be a good name for me? [130 words]PlatoMar 22, 2007 14:0087298
you guys hate the truth, dontcha [23 words]moderate MuslimMar 22, 2007 17:1087298
clarification [36 words]Moderate MuslimMar 22, 2007 17:1287298
No, Im not beyond help, although I dont need much [73 words]moderate MuslimMar 22, 2007 17:1587298
Free will in islam? LOL [379 words]dhimmi no moreMar 24, 2007 08:1587298
you like lies don'tcha? [148 words]susanMar 25, 2007 10:2187298
To Syed [17 words]moderate MuslimMar 16, 2007 19:3086570
LOL syed is asking for caliphate [8 words]susanMar 18, 2007 10:1686570
Syed? LOL He has no credibility! [172 words]dhimmi no moreMar 18, 2007 12:5086570
Syeds are not Iranians?? [83 words]JaladhiMar 19, 2007 17:1886570
What? [35 words]moderate MuslimMar 19, 2007 19:2486570
For our dear M&M and islam [73 words]dhimmi no moreMar 20, 2007 17:4886570
To Moderate Muslim: Spreading Islam by avoiding unpleasant facts [389 words]PlatoMar 22, 2007 13:3586570
Sure, Syed's the perfect choice [230 words]JeffMar 27, 2007 18:2386570
i wasnt..... [77 words]moderate MuslimMar 27, 2007 22:0286570
THE JOKE'S ON YOU (DHIMMI) [32 words]moderate MuslimMar 16, 2007 19:2786568
And your point is? [244 words]dhimmi no moreMar 18, 2007 12:4086568
You dont know me, you dont even care [110 words]moderate MuslimMar 19, 2007 19:3686568
1avoiding the sex slaves matter [52 words]susanMar 20, 2007 16:1186568
Uno Questiono por legion of doom [36 words]moderate MuslimMar 16, 2007 19:2586566
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The Official Stance of the Legion of Doom On Global Warming [59 words]Noah WilkMar 18, 2007 10:1786566
youre just not answering [43 words]moderate MuslimMar 19, 2007 19:2986566
heheh, thanks plato [25 words]moderate MuslimMar 19, 2007 19:3086566
You were indeed given an answer [209 words]Noah WilkMar 20, 2007 15:2986566
They're not scared [107 words]Noah WilkMar 20, 2007 15:3686566
sex slaves conspiracy [101 words]susanMar 20, 2007 16:1486566
?? [72 words]moderate MuslimMar 22, 2007 17:1986566
Yes, you are on trial [223 words]Noah WilkMar 23, 2007 18:5786566
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heh please [45 words]moderate MuslimMar 26, 2007 19:1686566
Spain and Arabian imperialism and justifying the absurd [69 words]dhimmi no moreMar 27, 2007 20:4886566
spain? islam flourished? [2978 words]susanMar 28, 2007 02:5786566
Islam is peace [103 words]moderate MuslimMar 14, 2007 21:3686334
disproved [331 words]susanMar 15, 2007 16:2486334
Islam and violence and silence [116 words]dhimmi no moreMar 18, 2007 17:3486334
uh NO [7 words]moderate MuslimMar 19, 2007 19:2586334
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A Peaceful Muslim Country (oh my) [259 words]moderate MuslimMar 11, 2007 21:2185929
...muslim [492 words]susanMar 12, 2007 18:3085929
very poor example [255 words]susanMar 12, 2007 18:4085929
Dave Chapelle? and who the heck is he? And why should we like him or hate him for this matter [235 words]dhimmi no moreMar 12, 2007 19:3985929
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Malaysia is Saudi Arabia of East [142 words]JaladhiMar 13, 2007 19:1385929
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MY EMAILS? [13 words]muslimMar 13, 2007 21:2385929
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kennedy quote? [659 words]susanMar 14, 2007 16:4485929
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huh?? [339 words]morousMar 15, 2007 12:2285929
Our dear M&M and you ain't Muqatil [61 words]dhimmi no moreMar 15, 2007 20:0485929
To Morous-Clarify a few things [291 words]moderate MuslimMar 15, 2007 21:2585929
your clarification Moderate [664 words]MorousMar 17, 2007 11:4685929
one clarification: malaysia has got sharia law [41 words]susanMar 18, 2007 10:1985929
literal interpretation [68 words]susanMar 18, 2007 10:2285929
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women as humans? [31 words]susanMar 20, 2007 04:5185929
It's Back in your court MODERATE [616 words]MorousMar 20, 2007 13:2585929
Malaysia? [171 words]surjApr 20, 2007 22:3485929
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aisha the child [103 words]susanMar 12, 2007 18:3385919
To Moderate Muslim: Hiding the shame of Aisha's age and a Maulana abrogates 9:29 [989 words]PlatoMar 13, 2007 01:1385919
3A'isha and real history! and playing with dolls! [648 words]dhimmi no moreMar 13, 2007 07:2885919
Lies will not change historical age of Aisha at the time of her marriage [157 words]JaladhiMar 20, 2007 15:4385919
The Ultimate Post- No Hiding, No Crying, Just Answers [8353 words]moderate MuslimMar 8, 2007 22:1385330
I'm cherry picking Moderate Muslim's huge post [2178 words]Noah WilkMar 9, 2007 04:1485330
For our dear M&M and his bogus command of Islamic theology [454 words]dhimmi no moreMar 9, 2007 18:0085330
To Moderate Muslim: Ethical basis of Islam and the thrashing of women by men [2001 words]PlatoMar 10, 2007 07:3085330
For our dear Moderate Msulim and what is really a moderate Muslim?And other sordid matters [885 words]dhimmi no moreMar 10, 2007 07:4085330
More Answers-To Dhimmi [293 words]moderate MuslimMar 10, 2007 13:2085330
Our dear M&M and he is really a "bait"? and Jihad or holy war revisited part deux [653 words]dhimmi no moreMar 10, 2007 14:1585330
moderate [592 words]susanMar 10, 2007 15:0185330
For our dear M&M and Q2:216 ...part one! [832 words]dhimmi no moreMar 11, 2007 09:2885330
dhimmi ... [26 words]susanMar 11, 2007 10:3985330
For our dear M&M and Q9:4 part deux! [541 words]dhimmi no moreMar 11, 2007 14:4185330
moderate Muslim [61 words]moderate MuslimMar 11, 2007 17:4285330
Condemnable Offenses. Controlling Men [91 words]moderate MuslimMar 11, 2007 17:4585330
you have no idea what a race is again [13 words]susanMar 12, 2007 03:3885330
M&M and more fantasy [262 words]dhimmi no moreMar 12, 2007 07:5285330
To Moderate Muslim: Fight to make your neighbours submit to Allah [179 words]PlatoMar 12, 2007 10:1585330
response to moderate muslim [555 words]morousMar 12, 2007 16:2585330
invented by modern people? [111 words]susanMar 12, 2007 18:3085330
yeah, so? [97 words]moderate MuslimMar 12, 2007 19:2485330
To Moderate Muslim: On rape and chopping off hands [583 words]PlatoMar 12, 2007 23:1885330
Uh no [17 words]moderate MuslimMar 13, 2007 19:3385330
the joke is on you morous [36 words]moderate MuslimMar 13, 2007 19:3685330
Hypocritical Muslim [56 words]Noah WilkMar 13, 2007 20:4385330
origins [183 words]dhimmi no moreMar 13, 2007 21:5885330
Racism! Really? [147 words]dhimmi no moreMar 14, 2007 12:3185330
i am 100% correct [57 words]susanMar 14, 2007 16:2285330
More evidence [47 words]dhimmi no moreMar 14, 2007 16:5685330
Hypocrisy - thy name is.... [46 words]JaladhiMar 14, 2007 17:3185330
1Jesus is god? [26 words]moderate muslimMar 14, 2007 19:3185330
not quite making sense - at all [129 words]moderate MuslimMar 14, 2007 19:3785330
lies [30 words]moderate MuslimMar 14, 2007 19:3885330
His words? [226 words]dhimmi no moreMar 15, 2007 07:3985330
Muslims suppress free debate on anti Semitism at Leeds University, UK [163 words]DelboyMar 15, 2007 09:4985330
MM [135 words]susanMar 15, 2007 16:1485330
2My dear M&M and i'm glad that you asked and the Qur'an really says that Jesus is God! [93 words]dhimmi no moreMar 15, 2007 19:5985330
Uh what? [38 words]moderate MuslimMar 16, 2007 19:2185330
MM - Read Dhimmi No More's(who knows Arabic) posts to understand Q9:4 [92 words]JaladhiMar 19, 2007 17:4885330
Respond to what? [58 words]dhimmi no moreMar 19, 2007 20:1485330
For our dear M&M and the Qur'an really says that jesus is God and the bogus tawheed [140 words]dhimmi no moreMar 20, 2007 07:5185330
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE KORAN SAYS [22 words]MOROUSMar 20, 2007 14:0285330
The fundamentally faulty logic of the person called dhimmi no more [201 words]moderate MuslimMar 20, 2007 19:0185330
Astaghfirullah is M&M's lame answer [239 words]dhimmi no moreMar 23, 2007 07:2885330
Flat? Hardly [31 words]Moderate MuslimMar 25, 2007 21:5385330
ONCE AGAIN MODERATE, THE KORAN CONTRADICTS YOU [172 words]MOROUSMar 28, 2007 17:0885330
Hand Chopping and Adultery [74 words]Mukhtar Ahmed KashifJul 30, 2009 12:4785330
Why I am proud to be a member of the Legion of Doom! [354 words]Noah WilkMar 8, 2007 21:0985321
The wake up call [15 words]Moderate MuslimFeb 26, 2007 16:2579077
You're talking, but you're not saying anything, Moderate Muslim [499 words]Noah WilkFeb 26, 2007 20:3579077
PEACEFUL NATION? YEAH, COMPARED TO THE HUNS [53 words]Moderate MuslimFeb 28, 2007 07:3279077
homework for moderate muslim [155 words]susanFeb 28, 2007 15:3479077
MM, you very well described actions of Muslims [98 words]JaladhiFeb 28, 2007 17:4279077
mob muslim contradiction [97 words]susanFeb 28, 2007 18:1079077
to mod.muslim [145 words]AnnaFeb 28, 2007 19:3479077
Susan [507 words]Moderate MuslimFeb 28, 2007 20:3479077
For our dear M&M and more fantasy [371 words]dhimmi no moreMar 1, 2007 06:0279077
peace.. [125 words]donvanMar 1, 2007 09:1879077
YES [87 words]Moderate MuslimMar 1, 2007 19:5079077
Strive to forgive what? [15 words]dhimmi no moreMar 2, 2007 17:2279077
don't believe you [65 words]susanMar 3, 2007 12:4879077
Response to Susan [153 words]moderate MuslimMar 5, 2007 20:0779077
educated fanatics.. [14 words]donvanMar 6, 2007 15:0079077

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