To Plato, Sohail and Abraham.
Submitted by Michel (United States), Feb 13, 2007 at 18:17
My man, your posts in response to Susan seem to get edgier by the day, :-).
My frustration grew the other day also to unheard levels - guess , it clearly showed. I am not proud of it, but had to get it out of my system....I am exhausted and hunger for a quality debate in form of a constructive dialogue, debating fresh ideas, even crazy ones in a foward looking mode.
All we do here is a bloody battle of words, resulting from the simple fact that we do not agree with their proposed strategy. Abraham is absolutely right and said it better than I was able to: Their entire foundation consists of the simple assumption that all Muslims follow the Koran and hence can ultimately not be anything else than fanatic, militant, depraved and evil.
Your own posts, Plato contain a ton of such references building compelling evidence of that book being in dire need of rewriting or adpatation to modern times. I however definitely share the opinion that the focus should be put on Muslims, rather than Islam, as I too am certain that amongst the many Muslims, there is likely a similar majority of people who consider Religion as secondary, exactly as it looks like with us, Christians. Yep - we may go to Church on Sundays, but otherwise do not quote the Bilble in every other sentence, right?
I feel that these average western Muslims are likely as disinterested and apolitical as the majority of our society. They do not engage in these debates here, as our own don't. Since "moderate Islam" seems to be indeed an early stage movement at best, and is still treated by their own (e.g Salman Rushdi) like pariahs, I can't help empathizing with a certain amount of fear which must be prevalent in their culture at present
As with our homosexual minority and a coming out on a larger scale not until recently, I would dare to venture, that especially within our society a lot of "closet moderate Muslims" exist, waiting in typical human behaviour for the more curageous ones to lead the way. Financial indoctrination support, originating from the Saudis, does certainly not help matters either.
Sohail - Your one-liners definitely do not help and I still do not really get, where you personally come from. Let's assume that you are indeed Muslim and visit a mosque regularly. Am I off base, when I too believe that a majority of Muslims within your circle considers Religion as (un-)important in their lives,, as it is the case amongst us Infidels? What are your friends and families, living in the UK for at least 2 generations, if I understood you correctly, talking around the dinner table about? What drives the average Muslim you actually know? Is it really religion an nothing else?
Well, Plato, your posts are the only reason, I still check in from time to time to get a good laugh. How do ya manage to keep your humor, is beyond me, but nevertheless admirable.
On a hilarious side note: Noah, Dhimmi and Susan actually believe that Plato and Michel are one and the same... I consider that quite actually as a compliment, where you probably feel offended , lol. Just two moderates and it gets already uncomfortable, as the trickle is now a creek and can not so easily be dismissed anymore....
Anyhow - instead of going round and round about Islam is evli, therefore Muslims are evil, therefore let's ban, deport or eradicate them.... how about a dialogue about making a stream off the trickle...how about discussing, exploring ways witin our control to envelope our Muslim compatriots...
And - out of sheer curiosity - what do you think about my crazy idea as to cutting through the Gordian Knot in Palestine?
Another topic of personal interest is, what I consider as probably the greatest threat of all to global stability, IRAN, and our options in response to this threat which may well lead to a disaster within the next 5-10 years. I'd definitely be more interested in your opinion to above than shadowboxing with Susan.....
Wiling to go that route?
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