Time for another holiday, methinks
Submitted by Sword of Islam & The Babies of Beslan (United Kingdom), Feb 12, 2007 at 22:01
Sophistry? It should quite easy to shoot down then in direct terms, yet the threads to which you have provided links all follow the same pattern as this particular thread. Let's see if you can 'stick the point' this one time and deal with it without resorting to cries of 'Nazi' or 'fascist'. That's a term far more suited to Menachem Begin but you don't hear me calling you a Nazi just because he's one of your heroes, do I?
You've asked me to clarify my statement 'Without the British, the Jews would have 0% of Palestine.' - (a response to an assertion that the British 'gave away 90% of 'Jewish' land to the Arabs' ), and I have provided my reasoning as a sequence of logical, historically accurate steps . So far you have only demonstrated a singualr inability to actually undermine any of the steps that I describe to support the assertion.
The point which I have iterated again and again (it's called sticking to the point) should be quite easy to shoot down. So do so. The claim:
You have previously conceded, after much resistance, that the British did, in fact, take Palestine from the Turks during World War I. As anybody with a basic knowledge of history can tell you, this led to the Balfour Declaration in 1917 which in turn led to League of Nations mandate for Palestine, which in turn led to mass immigration of Jews to Palestine which in turn led to the eventual forming of the state of Israel. Given that the British capture of Palestine was the first link in this chain is therefore as clear as the nose on your face that 'Without the British, the Jews would have 0% of Palestine."
So tell us which part of the above is factuallly incorrect. I repeat, WHICH PART OF THE ABOVE IS WRONG. Regrettably, I only speak English & French so I can't translate it into your tongue. But it can't be difficult. You have made a good start in telling us that "The Zionist Jewish return home to Palestine started more than two decades before WW1, and it continued in spite of pro Arab British policies and blockades."
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS TELL US WHETHER THE ABOVE IS TRUE OR FALSE. IF FALSE, PERHAPS YOU COULD EVEN GO SO FAR AS TO STATE WHICH OF THE ABOVE 'FACTS' IS HISTORICALLY INCORRECT? ONE WILL DO. (AS OPPOSED TO GENERALISED BLUSTER). I'M REALLY NOT INTERESTED IN WHAT 'MIGHT', 'COULD' OR 'SHOULD' HAVE HAPPENED. I'M ONLY INTERESTED IN WHAT 'DID' HAPPEN. TRY TO STAY IN THIS UNIVERSE WITHOUT MAKING A DETOUR TO THE PARALLEL ONE THAT YOU CLEARLY PREFER SO MUCH.
Perhaps you can tell us what that population size was prior to the above events and compare and contrast it with the population after 1948. How many hundreds of thousands of settlers are you referring to? What percentage of Palestine did these settlers occupy? Presumably it was much larger than that which they currently reside within hence the complaint that 90% of their territories were 'given away' by the British? hHow much larger was the population pre 1914? 10 times larger than that post 1948? 20 times larger? Shouldn't be too hard to answer with fact rather than speculation. Should it?
Please don't ask me to 'explain myself'. If something is written in plain English, further explanation is generally a waste of time. Get somebody to read or translate any passages that you don't understand.
You can quote Begin, to your heart's content. I'm with Einstein:
Letters to the New York Times
Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our time is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.
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