For Hamari of Plumbers United and the Qur'an al-kitab al-mubeen!
Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Feb 10, 2007 at 07:30
Our dear Hamri you wrote:
>show me wher it says something that is fundamentally wrong
The Quranic doctrine of jihad is wrong and absurd. Holy wars cannot be the will or the wish of a rational deity. Why would the God of the universe ask mere human beings like you to kill polytheists (Q9:4) and fight in his name to spread his religion (Q9:29), when he can change the hearts and minds of us infidels and we all become Muslims with no blood shed? Why is that ya ayuha al-fahlawi al-kabeer? So why would Allah not do that and spare us his little and funny hell? And no there is no free will in islam there is only the flawed doctrine of al-qada' wa al-qadr. So if you Allah does not wish to change my heart and make me muslim so I can suffer in his little hell. If this case he is no kind deity. But it seems that your allah cannot do that and do you know why? Could it be because he is not omnipotent and in this case he is no God?
Your Allah and his rasul sharing 1/5 of the booty collected from innocent infidels is evil and irrational (see Q8:1 and Malik's Kitab al-Jihad). This is just absurd!
And your Allah's heaven with its Hur 3ayn and ghulman is childish! So you tell us is the likes of Muhammad 3Atta enjoying your Allah's ghulman as he was not very much into virgins?
But more important there is a little story in Muhammad's sira (page 571-572) where we are told that the Jews of Mecca posed to Muhammad, the old Aristotelian problem: "If Allah is responsible for this creation, who then created Allah?" And your answer is? If you wish I will provide you with Muhammad's answer but do not except much and you know why? because this very simple question proves what is fundamentally wrong with islamic theology and the bogus tawheed.
This will be a good start.
Then you wrote:
>show me where it contradicts itself
I will give you five examples:
1. La ikrah fi al-deen v. Iqtoloo al-mushrikeen it is either one or the other. It cannot be both.
2. al-nasikh wa al-mansukh doctrine is flawed. A deity would not change his mind.
3. The story of Jesus in the Qur'an: Muhammad was a poor theologian and one can very much read that Jesus was a prophet (nabi/rasul) but one can very much read it as: Jesus was indeed God! So which one is it?
4. The Qur'an says that it is only the reilgion of the arabs only (q14:4) but it also claims to be a universal religion. So which one is it?
5. The qur'an claim to be a kitab mubeen written in 3Arabi faseeh but this is far from the truth. You tell us ya ayuha al-faylasoof al-kabeer: how come no one have a clue about such words as: Ilaf, kalala, ababeel, Hur 3Ayn, 3An yadd etc..., and why would the Qur'an include non Arabic words (eg: Tur and Rum) when the Qur'an claims to be written in 3Arabi faseeh? And is the word MLK in surat al-fatiha: Maaliki (see the 1924 Cairo edition of the Qur'an) or Malik (see the Tunisian 1969 edition of the Qur'an) it is either one of the other and it cannot be both.
But again you are a victim of Islam, what can I tell you.
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