Submitted by Jaladhi (United States), Feb 2, 2007 at 15:58
Hi Michel, you wrote: "Since you are new to this thread, and refrained from insulting me other than calling me a "fraud",
Hey Michel, I did not call you a "fraud" as you think.
I was responding to Noah's post (which was in response to your post) and I took last paragraphs from his post and pasted it in my comments. Somehow, the middle paragraph did not come out in italics making it look like a response from me but I am sure Naoh and you would have recognized that these were not my words.
My comments regarding censorship jihad stand as they are.
I have been following your debate with Noah and Susan but have never responded to you. I notice that your calls to "moderate" Muslims to come your aid to confirm that a large majority of moderate Muslims exists have not yet materialized. Perhaps, it is because no such entity exists in the world. I have long maintained that all Islam is one and it is all radical. Actions of its followers for the past 1400 years and continuing to the present day clearly prove that. Obviously, you and I have opposing viewpoints here.
You may or may not agree that it is impossible to have an honest and truthfull dialogue with Muslims. Because as soon as one points out any passges from Quran which shows them in bad light , they immediately go into denial mode or start blaming it on Islamophobia or say we don't understand Arabic or these are taken out of context or some other thing like that. In this day and age when people all over the world are learning so much about other religions and cultures besides their own, their arguements don't hold water. They forget that non-Muslims understand their Quran much better than them because they(non-Muslims) are not constrained in their thinking as Muslims are (because of their religious requirement). Muslims cannot question Quran as others can!!
You also wrote: "Maybe, just maybe, it would be time to revisit our Freedoms and tighten them? "
I can't believe you are saying this. You know, its slippery slope when we start tinkering with our constitution, there will no return to freedoms as we have known since the birth of this country. Obviously, we we don't agree on this point either.
You also say : "The silent majority of moderate Christians, Buddhists and Muslims has been so far my biggest disappointment. Tragic confirmation of Pipes depiction of our (western) society righ there - in this blog."
Why lump moderate Christians and Buddhists with Muslims in your call? They are not the one who are causing all this problem. Your disappointment should be with "moderate" Muslism. Remember your call was to "moderate" Muslims and none of them have shown up here. May be because they don't exist.
One would think that if Muslims come to the West to improve their living standards and all that, they should remember to respect the laws of the countries they migrate to. Instead, as their numbers grow, they quickly forget that, and they want to impose their will and religious laws on the host country in the name of religious freedom. For example, they are asking for prayer rooms everywhere, in schools, work place, airports and anywhere else they think they can get away with.
This is what is going with the likes of CAIR and other Muslim organizations in our country, and organizations like ACLU are helping them to achieve their goals. This is what the Muslim taxi drivers are trying to do in Minneapolis. If they succeed there, the taxi jihad is coming to your town soon. Just remember, people of different religions from all over the world are migrating to rich Western nations, but do they ask for special rights while violating the rights of others? No, its always the Muslims who have to have special rights, others be damned. Why can't they live like everybody else?? One wonders why is that and why should we accede to their demands?
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