From a pig-headed six-year-old minor to Mo
Submitted by Plato (United Arab Emirates), Jan 30, 2007 at 08:41
You have titled you post 'pig-headed'. I consider the pig a lovable animal and they are also considered a good source of proteins from China to America to Japan.
"It may seem from your perspective that we have adopted the Arabian culture, but it is more of an Islamic etiquette to say "Assalamu Alaikum" in Arabic, the unity and sense of brotherhood/sisterhood we Muslims feel when we utter these words is heart-warming. No matter the language and the cultural differences there may exist, our basic gestures and greetings are the same so there are fewer barriers between us."
Mo like "changing the political dynamics" instead of saying war of aggression, by saying Islamic etiquette instead of Arabian culture is merely placing the wolf of Arabian culture in the sheep's skin of Islamic etiquette. By greeting Muslims with assalamu alaikum instead of namaste you get closer to your Muslim brethren but also realise that by the same token you draw away from your non-Muslim Bengali kin. You have now created a barrier between the other Bengali speakers by rejecting namaste. But then your Koran tells you that is exactly what you should do:
58:22 You will not find people who believe in GOD and the Last Day befriending those who oppose GOD and His messenger, even if they were their parents, or their children, or their siblings, or their tribe.
9:28 O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.
Hindu Bengalis are pagans i e oppose god and his messenger, so reject them. They are idolators and so unclean. Since 9:28 starts with 'O you who believe' is this all believers of all time or just those being addressed? The context thing again you know. If it is contextual why are today's idlo worshippers barred from the Kaaba. If it is not contextual then the Koran considers all idolators of all time unclean and so naturally as a believer you have to avoid your idol-worshipping fellow Bengalis like the plague let alone namaste them. Very heart warming, your belief.
"Your initial point about namaste, yes we have a past, it does not mean we will adopt everything that of that past into our new and modern way of life, we have retained some and dismissed some. We have adopted better forms of greetings than that of our forefathers, it is that of Islam. We rather say "Assalamu Alaikum" than to say "Namaste."
Mo, people, cultures evolve and change usually for something better. A literal translation of namaste (namah te) is "reverential salutation to you." Assalamu alaykum is I believe "peace be upon you". If you believe that your new salutation is superior, I won't argue.
"...I find it distressing that you would condemn parts of our way of life as acts of Arabism; our current culture and lifestyle may not meet your acceptance, but you should accept the current sociology of Bangladesh and move on, instead of debating this unproductive, useless argument. It is like me debating with you the reason as to why the USA does not retain many of its past traditions, as today's USA is far different from the USA established in 1776 and before then; it is politically, economically and socially developed."
Reading 58:22 and 9:28 will your pagan friends be distressed? The Koran itself is calling them unclean and it is telling you not to befriend idolators be they your closest relatives. And your "current sociology" in Bangladesh has moved on to what? You give the example of the USA. Its current sociology has moved on too. Compare the two. Islam changed your sociology nearly a thousand years ago.Or compare yours with Indian Bengal to figure out how Islam has moved sociollogy in Bangladesh. People vote with their feet for idolatorous India.
"Your comments about Eid Ul Adha are far right pathetic. You act like a 6 year old trying to prove a point which will not benefit us the least"
Alright I am a pig-headed six year old. How does that make my take on Eid Al Adha pathetic. Please tell me what is wrong with what I have said."Any Muslim country that is attacked will affect me, if it is attacked by people from the holy places, then these particular people will need to be dealt with."
Are you conceding that "need to be dealt with" is your euphemism for fighting the people from the holy places. Why don't you stop using many words when one will do. Let me word my original question differently. You are now in the UK. Saudi Arabia attacks Britain. Where will your loyalties lie. Will you be prepared to kill Muslim Arabs to protect Christians who are your countrymen against your brothers in religion. Remember you have to contend with verse 58:22. and also 3:33 'Allah did choose Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all people,- ' Just a thought experiment again. What was the result of the experiment. I await the result you arrived keenly.
"You obviously do not see the benefits; our unity in Islam of a political nature and well as a religious one, we Muslims are a huge family and consider each other in these terms. You make reference to the Danish cartoons, for your viewings on CNN et al were that of an explosive nature only, within the Muslim quarter people were re-acquainted with their Prophet (p), Muslims became more aware of this man (p) and have started to practice Islam. Obviously you don't see that, but take my word for it.
No I can't see any benefits to you from your unity. You still fight each other all over the world (Iraq, Pakistan, Algeria, Egypt...) and Islamic countries are still the poorest of the poor among nations and which is why you are in UK and many of your countrymen are in India.
After exploding all over the world, and the death of quite a few Muslims and a few Christians, you say Muslims have become more aware of your Prophet. What does that tell you of your prophet? People have to die for you to draw closer to your prophet. That is nothing new. It has been happening for 1400 years. Now infidels have also become aware of your prophet and what it takes to be re-acquainted with him. And I will take your word for it.
"That is true, thank you for pointing that out. We Muslims are not as united as we should be at the moment, ..."
Just a few sentences ago you were saying that changing your cultural ethos to Arab, sorry Islamic, helped unite Muslims all over the world. Not much joy there."Islam could have provided much security if your nosy government were not to interfere with other nations politics"
What I understand from that is that Allah's pure religion does not protect your nations against that of the great Satan. Have you ever thought of abandoning ship. Islam, the pure religion of Allah has failed to provide you security. Satan's nose has bested Allah's?
"What is really sad is that your pig headed country America sees fit to support nations that starves its people. The corrupt politicians of Bangladesh have stolen from the public funds hundreds of millions of dollars, yet the west blindly supports them; the governments are compliant to any policies the West may have, however severely detrimental it may be to their own domestic interests..."
Care to substantiate what I have underlined. You are a great one for making categorical statements without substantiation. It also supports Saudi Arabia, S Korea, Taiwan, Japan and they don't seem to be starving. If you ask me it is the starving Muslim masses who have been conned into supporting the corrupt leaders of your country. What is the Jamat e Islami, champions of pure Islam, doing in the BNP government. Amassing money I will bet you a taka. And you think I am pig-headed six-year-old minor.
Grow up Mo.
Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. For complete regulations, see the "Guidelines for Reader Comments".
Reader comments (2100) on this item
Comment on this item
Support Daniel Pipes' work with a tax-deductible donation to the Middle East Forum. Daniel J. Pipes