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Submitted by Glennodad (Spain), Jan 23, 2007 at 19:56

Sarah,

Si de verdad eres española no te importará que te escriba en castellano... me perdonarás si dudo de l a veracidad de algunas de tus declaraciones sobre identidad y tu fe, porque una buena musulmana nunca aceptaría eso de compartir la oración con un cristiano (o un judío) en una "mezquita"--sería idolatría según el Corán, ¿no?

La catedral de Córdoba llegó a ser el sitio de la mezquita medieval una vez demolida la catedral visigota de San Vicente por los invasores musulmanes del norte de Africa. Esos invasores musulmanes y sus descendientes, por cierto, no se sintieron obligadas de ninguna manera compartir el uso de su mezquita con los cristianos a pesar de haber sido una catedral construida en el sitio del martirio de San Vicente. Y como no hay NI UNA SOLA MEZQUITA en el mundo entero en que los musulmanes permiten rezar a los cristianos, ni siquiera en las que son iglesias robadas por los musulmanes y que contienen santuarios santos sumamente importantes, me perdonarás también si no me fio de esta supuesta expresión de fraternidad interreligiosa por parte de las asociaciones musulmanas en mi país.

Y desde luego, cariño, no pareces entender mucho en cuanto a religión cuando haces declariones como "all religions reserve the right to be worshiped anywhere " (p.d., ¿qué significa eso exactamente? Ni lo sabes tu misma--religión es el medio por lo cual adoramos a Dios, no es el objeto de nuestra adoración), o bien "all religions should unite and share holy quarters". Esto sueno al sincretismo más maloliente mujer, pero no al Islam o el Cristianismo. Un cristiano católico podría compartir el uso de su catedral con un protestante, pero no con un musulmán porque no reconocen a Jesucristo como el Hijo de Dios y el Salvador único del mundo.

Un creyente católicos bien formado en su Fe NO cree que todas las religiones son iguales en los ojos de Dios, aunque SÍ cree que todas las personas tienen la misma dignidad humana por ser hijos del mismo Padre.

Para acabar, en cuanto a tu comentario que "New Spain was built on Muslim foundations"--Al Andalus fue construida sobre los cimientos de la Hispania de los romanos y los visigodos. Conoces poco de la historia si crees que antes de la llegada de los musulmanes no había alcantarillas en Córdoba. Los conquistadores de los desiertos del norte de África no entendieron mucho de esas cosas, y desde luego no tuvieron que "civilizar" a la población al llegar a la Península: ya había una cultura, una economía y una agricultura muy activas, avanzadas y asentadas. Ellos simplemente tenían que asumir el control y mantenerlas al principio.

"The Christians had destroyed the Mosque. I had visited the Mosque in 2004 and felt sad at the result of what they had done."

Bueno, ya sabes, en esto de los gustos no hay absolutos ... yo asistí a misa en la catedral este verano pasado con un amigo no creyente y hablamos de este mismo tema. Ninguno de los dos estamos de acuerdo contigo en esto de que los cristianos destruyeron la mezquita con la adición del santuario cristiano. Tu misma ...

(Babelfish translation)

If you are really Spanish to not it will matter you that i write to you in Castilian... you will pardon to me if I doubt to veracity of some of your declarations on identity and your faith, because a good Muslim never would accept that to share the oration with a Christian (or a Jew) in a "mosque" -- it would be idolatry according to the Corán, no?

The cathedral of Cordova got to be the site of the medieval mosque once demolished the cathedral visigota of San Vicente by the Muslim invaders of North Africa. Those Muslim invaders and their descendants, by the way, did not feel forced in any way to share the use of their mosque with the Christians, in spite of that it have been a cathedral constructed in the site of the martyrdom of San Vicente. And since there is NOR a SINGLE MOSQUE throughout the world in which the Muslims allow the Christians, not even in whom are churches robbed by the Muslims and who contain important holy sanctuaries, you will also pardon to me fio of this supposed expression of interreligious brotherhood on the part of the Muslim associations in my country.

And of course, affection, you do not seem to understand much as far as religion when beams declares as "all religions reserves the right to be worshiped anywhere" (what means that exactly?) Nor you know your same one to it -- religion is the means thus we adored God, is not the object of our adoration), or "all religions should unite and share holy quarters". This I sound to the sincretismo maloliente woman, but not to Islam or Christianity.

A catholic Christian could share the use of his cathedral with a protestant, but not with a Muslim because they do not recognize Jesus Christ like the Son of God and unique Salvador of the world.

A believer catholic good formed in his Faith does not think that all the religions are equal in the eyes of God, although YES thinks that all the people have the same human dignity being children of the same Father.

In order to finish, as far as your commentary that "New Spain was built on Muslim foundations" -- To the Andalus he was constructed on the foundations of the Hispania of the Romans and the visigots. You know little history if you think that before the arrival of the Muslims there were no culverts in Cordova.

The conquerors of the deserts of North Africa did not understand much of those things, and of course they did not have "to civilize" the population when arriving at the Peninsula: already there were very active, outposts and seated culture, economy and agriculture. They simply had to assume the control and to maintain them in the beginning.

"The Christians had destroyed the Mosque. I had visited the Mosque in 2004 and felt sad at the result of what they had done."

Good, already you know, in matters of the tastes there is no absolute... I attended mass in the east cathedral last summer with a nonbelieving friend and we spoke of this same subject. Neither we agree with you in this of which the Christians destroyed the mosque with the addition of the Christian sanctuary. You name one...

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