Harrak, at least make an attempt at coherence?
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Submitted by Noah Wilk (United States), Jan 23, 2007 at 01:04
Harrak, it's pretty arrogant for someone (you) to make condescending remarks and refer to others here as "students" .... And of course, you are engaging in the typical Muslim "debating" tactic of diverting the argument to another religion in order to evade answering charges levelled at Islam. It's not working. We know better.
Let's skip over the first part of your post for now and jump right into the Biblical issues anyway, just to clarify something.
First, you can skip over all those Old Testament books you listed, from Genesis through Malachi, because those are Old Testament books. They are all superceded by Jesus's later commands in the New Testament. Do you understand that? Unlike Islam, where the earlier peaceful verses are superceded by the later violent ones, in Christianity the violence of the Old Testament is totally superceded by Jesus's commands of non-violence in the New Testament.
So that leaves the New Testament books you listed, and I don't think it's worth the time to debate it with you because you clearly don't understand certain basic issues which are essential to understand in order to enage in intelligent discussion of the issue. For example, Jesus did not mean to literally cut off one's hand or pluck out one's eye. I know you're used to reading everything literally in Islam, but the Bible does not work that way. Christians do not literally pluck out their eyes or cut off their hands, because they understand Jesus was making an analogy, not commanding actual physical mutilation. Unlike the Muslims, who literally blind people and cut off their hands as commanded by their Koran.
Unfortunately, subtleties, analogies, and intelligent interpretation are all lost on Muslims, so there is no point in going over these with you point by point. For example, in Corintians 10:8, you claim Jesus killed 23,000, but that is not accurate. God the father killed them, and the difference between God and Jesus is probably too subtle for you to understand no matter how I try to explain it.
In the New Testament, the Pharisees asked Jesus which commandment was most important, and his answer was that to love god with all your heart and to love your neighbor as yourself were the two commandments (which he gave) that superceded all the previous laws of the Old Testament. In that one reply, he established Christianity as a peaceful religion of tolerance and forgiveness.
Furthermore, there is no reason to discuss this with you, because it is clearly and obviously a typical clumsy Muslim attempt to divert attention from the main issue, which is Islam. This is the most preferred tactic Muslims use to avoid dealing with criticisms of Islam. They simply change the subject and start criticizing Christianity, and usually the Christians will defend it, but that simply derails the core disussion so that Muslims never have to answer for the barbarity of their "religion of peace". Sorry Harrak, but your clumsy attempt at evasion does not work with me.
So let's get back to the issue. The Koran calls for violent jihad, it calls for intolerance, rape, genocide, and terrorism. And Muslims faithfully follow those Koranic commands. Muslims rape, kill, torture, and commit genocide in order to expand the rule of Islam. They commit these atrocities in the name of Allah and the prophet Mohammed, and they do so in keeping with the violent demands written in the Koran. Of the roughly 400 terrorist groups on the planet, more than 90% of them are Islamic. And all of them are committing atrocities in the name of Islam, in order to spread Islam, and with the blessing of Islam (both the Koran and from their clerics).
The FLQ is not a Christian terrorist group. They are not committing atrocities in order to enforce a Christian belief or rule. They are trying to establish a Marxist/Socialist political ideology. They do not use the Bible as justification for their acts. They do not do so with the blessings of Christianity, nor do Christians endorse, accept, make excuses for, or tolerate such terrorist acts. Therefore they cannot be called a Christian terrorist group. They are political terrorists, not religious terrorists. Religious terrorists (ie Muslims) commit atrocities in order to spread their religion. The FLQ commits atrocites to spread their political goals, not their religious beliefs.
Can you comprehend that? Becase I believe that is clear enough for a child to understand.
So your claim, as usual, is ridiculous, unfounded, and not backed by reality. Now that we've dismissed and disproven your absurd FLQ claim beyond question, let us move on to the first part of your reply, where you wrote:
"Terrorists are terrorists and who sympathizes with them is terrorist Mr Dhimmi sympathizer."
Harrak, ...No one is denying that the FLQ is a terrorist group. The clearly are terrorists. What we dispute is your absurd, ridiculous, and proven untrue claim that they are a Christian terrorist group. They are not. They are a political terrorist group with a political agenda.
Is that too hard for you to comprehend? Or are you just going to try going back to your indoctrinated propaganda? Because you do realize, don't you, that we are impervious to it?
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