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Submitted by Michel (United States), Jan 21, 2007 at 16:22

I must admit, my mindset today in response to your last post has migrated quite a bit.

I did follow a thread and some links, Infidel provided and watched the entire UK Channel 4 dispatches documentary about the Mosque in Birmingham., filmed by an undercover journalist. I found myself after a couple of hours in shock, utter disbelief, as to how it is possible that the UK allows for such teachings to even occur. They had proof as to the violent, medieval, sick, narcistic, aggressive and radical nature of that "Imam". They had proof of , what the Wahabis as their ultimate legal power issues as Fatwas….. and they continue to let it happen. Just watch?

If this was a Neo-Nazi organization, its proponents would have to be arrested. But here - they did seemingly nothing. I do not know what to say. And I sure understand your frustration, as such happens across the Western World, even in the USA.

If this inaction, passiveness demonstrated by the UK authorities is indeed representative for much of the Western Society ( you did indeed mount tons of evidence to that fact), I am so with you in deploring and shouting against it.

This is indeed the utter perversion of our Freedom of free Speech. This is indeed weakness. It also goes against any of my personal beliefs and interpretations.

Having said that, I nevertheless did find some reason for hope in this ugliness. The documentary was also commented by Muslims of British origin and anti-Wahabi reps. These voices were extremely rational and did call for a much needed reform of ISLAM and the interpretations of the Koran. They condemned and negated these teachings almost as passionately, as you or I do. But they were Muslims.

"I am by simple logical deduction forced to deplore that as a form of defeatism."It's not called "defeatism", it's called "realism". It's being realistic by looking at reality and what is going on in the world. Do your research. Read your history. Get a book called Why Civilizations Fail. Our outcome is already written, unless we have a major change of spirit.

Okay – as phrased above - I concur.

The difference is that you're not willing to deal with reality, and I am. Look at our society. Look at how emasculated, fearful, cowardly, and apathetic we've become. Look at how our society is decaying...teen mothers at the highest rate of any developed nation, record number of unmarried couples with kids, broken homes, illiteracy on the rise, obesity on the rise (along with many other diseases), stupidity and ignorance rampant. Most people care only about doing their 9 to 5 job, and then plopping their fat asses down in front of the boob tube for 4-5 hours a day in order to vegetate and become more indoctrinated by the liberal media while stuffing their faces with junk food that causes them to become diabetic, cancerous, and demented.

I concur again. Evidence for the western decadence is overwhelming. In terms of mathematical probability, the odds are against the Willpower to reform. I am realist enough to see that.

Our society fears speaking the truth. We use euphemisms for everything. People are no longer short, they're "vertically challenged". Teachers are being told not to use red pens to mark answers on tests wrong, because red is too "harsh" a color. The CIA gave the FBI a list of Al Qaeda sleeper cells here in the states, and the FBI refused to go after them because (and I quote): "they have not committed any crimes". In the UK, the United Kingdom's Teacher Training Agency told trainees to say "thought shower" instead of "brainstorm" in order to avoid offending epileptics. We recently allowed CAIR members to tour our airports, showing them detailed screening techniques and security measures. Teachers are being pushed to avoid using the word "failed" for students who fail a test. Instead, they want to call a failing score a "deferred success" because using the word "fail" may harm the student's psyche. Calling it a "deferred success" means they will eventually pass the test because they'll feel better about themselves. If you think I'm making this up, do the research, it's not a joke.

Could not agree with you more – I could add another thousand such idiocies to your catalogue.

What is best is to work for change and try to implement my solution. Your approach has no chance for success because the enemy treats compromise as weakness. You simply refuse to comprehend this simple reality. What seems logical, sane, compassionate, fair, and feasible to us is laughed at by the enemy as weakness and decadence and only serves to further fuel their hatred of us. Until you come to that understanding, you will not be able to come up with a feasible solution.

Denominator is " work for change" . Here I am with you.

Implement your solution I can not carry, as it belays the good achievements of our society. It betrays our principles.

Side remark: I researched today Iran's nuclear facilities
(There is an interactive Map plus sources on the MSNBC News site). Having seen, how many, how dispersed and most likely deep underground these facilities are, I came to the conclusion that, militarily speaking, anything but either several massive nuclear strikes or only a full-fledged invasion could be entertained to take all those out. The lesser evil may force us to do it, but the consequences will prove to be devastating for us too. (Economy mainly) . It would be a Pyrrhus victory.

Well you sit there and comfort yourself with false hope while the rest of us deal with reality then. That's what it really boils down to. Some of us are realist, some of us are fantasists.

We can influence our legislation. I become US citizen, so I can vote. We can stand up and voice opposition, wherever the achievements of our democracy are being perverted. We can lead by example.

"What it should do is lead any logical, pragmatic person to get off his duff and start doing something to change his society, not indulge in fantasy and denial of reality.

I agree – But I do not see myself as "denying reality", but trying to somehow live in it.

Explain then why we cater to minorities? Why do people in a free country quake in fear whenever a black person spews the word "racism"? Why are we afraid to take a stand against illegal aliens and sit quietly like frightened sheep when the illegal Mexicans take to the streets in protest, demanding illegal rights? Why is everyone in the government afraid to speak the truth about Islam, and in total denial of reality refer to it as the"religion of peace"? Show me where this mythological "strength" is dominant in our society.

All evidence for a sad state of our affairs which I deplore as much and as passionately , as you do , Noah.
My evidence for strength?

The ability to distilling down the failure of Challenger to one measly O-Ring.
The power of innovation demonstrated by our society, which will make us independant from middle east oil in a foreseeable future.
The ability to use every single Airplane Crash to improve technology
The leap frog in military strategy during the original IRAK campaign
Billions of $ for the Tsunami victims coming from every corner of the globe
The space station and the Dreamliner
The medical improvements just during the last 10 years.
The IT revolution causing the "information Age"
Our discussion we have without fear of being thrown into a Gulag
The fact that some complete idiots are allowed to promote removing "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance
The fact that it is basic human behaviour to want more to strive for improvement, but never want to give up, what one has (Freedom is the most addictive drug - once enjoyed, one will kill to keep it.)

I agree that our system is superior to anything else, but that doesn't matter. The enemy loathes it and condemns it. We can't serve as an example, because they hate what we stand for.

That may be true – heck - in the eyes of any radical it is. Why do they hate it? Because it denies them any justification. Because it "corrupts" their own people with ideas of freedom and liberty. The poison they talk about. There are more followers than leaders – it is why the latter are afraid, as, what we stand for, proves its points every single day.

" We will rigorously defend above, when we are threatened."You mean like right after 9/11 when Bush told everyone to "go shopping" and that was our society's response? Or do you mean like when tens of thousands of criminal aliens from Mexico stormed our streets and blocked traffic and interfered with business, and everyone just sat around and did nothing? Show me this rigorous courage you seem to want to believe in.

Terrorists, Anarchists objectives is Terror and Chaos. To deny those maniacs this objective and proving them as being irrelevant, is not a stupid approach. The Brits are a great example. To use a tube station one day after it got blown up, as if nothing had happened, shows great courage, while denying these maniacs the satisfaction.
As a side remark – It remains to be seen, how courageous our own are, when and if these terrorists will take the route of widespread soft target killings.

Then you're in denial of reality and unwilling to face a growing threat head-on. This New Age Kumbayah Singing Bliss Bunny Group Hug Philosophy is nonsense. The enemy does not care if we're "morally superior" in our own eyes or if we can question ourselves. They thrive on our constant questioning of ourselves. They hate us. Do you understand that? They hate us and everything we stand for.

Again – I do not argue either way, if they hate us. Mute point. I solely see our capability to continuously strive for perfection and improvement by asking ourselves what we could do better, by exploring our own weaknesses as a strength.

On the other hand, believe that some Willpower could in fact be regained for a much needed reform of our own "decadency " , as a basis for successful perseverance against any threat."You can believe that aliens built the pyramids, if you like. That doesn't make it reality. Again, where do you see this tremendous strength? How do you see it manifesting, when it doesn't seem to exist? Your theories seem credible only in Fantasyland.

A growing number of people who see perversion of originally well-intended rights. Efforts to revise liability laws. Tightening of the legislature (Patriot Act) as a (small) step in the right direction. Efforts to network the various department intelligence in the USA (IRS, INS, Intelligence Community), Dr. Michael Josephson (Character counts) and so on lead me to believe that the "sleeping" bear can be awakened.

Wrong. I believe Islam is one of the major threats we face, second only to our own apathy and refusal to acknowledge reality.

I am with you here. Our own apathy is what I consider too as greatest Threat.

Burying one's head in the sand is not considered an effective survival technique, just to let you know.
The many hours spent here, a worn out keyboard and a headache is not, what I would call burying the head in the sand. If you really believe after all these exchanges, that I promote passiveness, then you got me utterly wrong.

"Highly ironic once again, our entire debate boils down to one key word: F A I T H."No, it boils down to a word called "REALITY". Either you acknowledge reality or you live in denial of it. Faith has nothing to do with it. You can have all the faith you want that the so-called moderate Muslims will save you from the global jihad, but I can assure you, they will not be there to save you when the so-called radicals come to cut off your head. Reality shows this to be true.

My slant here is only, that I have faith in ourselves. Not in the Muslim community. I do not wait for them to save me, I promote to stand up and save ourselves. I agree with you that the Reality looks grim and the odds are lousy. So where is that Faith coming from?

I was blessed to be able to travel almost the entire world. One for me amazing find was, that no matter in a kraal in Africa, a village in Chechnya, in Warszawa or Philadelphia, in the Phillipines or China or Mexico, or in Tigris - when sitting with a local family at the dinner table, I listened to the very same idle form of chatter. The very same basic human challenges. The need to provide, the need to eat, the need to make money, the need to speak freely. We always point out, how diverse those many cultures are, but fail to acknowledge how similar the average individuals. It is because of that that I feel that basic human needs come first, no matter where you are. It is why I have faith in our society, because it stands for exactly satisfying these basic human needs.

What do you mean "if"? It's already happening, man! Wake up! Our society has already lost faith in its superiority. It has already lost its moral compass. It has already lost its hope, its drive, its energy, and its sense of self. And this is all being further diluted daily by illegal Mexicans, subversive Muslims, traitorous liberals, and space cadets in denial of reality. We are falling apart. And we can't fix it unless and until people wake out of their somnambulent trance, turn off the tv, and get a whiff of actual reality.

As incredible, as that may sound coming from me - you are absolutely right. I should have put in a disclaimer as in " if we completely loose faith….The trends are evident, the signs on the wall. The patient is indeed in a coma.
If nothing happens, he will die – I 100% agree with you.

Proof once again that your claims, your views, your beliefs, and your solutions simply do not hold up to the light of reality. The question now is...are you going to come around to admiting reality, or remain in denial of it, waiting until the day the jihadis come slice your head off, while praying for the mythical moderates to save you?

I would not be a pragmatist, if I denied the reality you depict. It's grim. My own little lab experiment failed miserably - I humbly must accept as fact. In that sense – I concede defeat and a weak position.

However, Noah – in response to "Denial" - if you really did read my posts, then you saw that I promoted a "Marketing Mix" of instruments up to and not limited to warfare to counteract the Muslim threat you very solidly evidenced. The difference between us is, that I see various ways ( including introspective) to win and in essence disagree on the magnitude of several actions you promote.

The very fact that you can call voices like mine "fanatical" proves precisely what I have been saying all along. Mainly, that our society lives in stark denial of reality and is weak and ineffective. You want to remain in Fantasyland, in some New Age board room, singing Kumbayah and hoping against hope that the enemy will inexplicably and miraculously change his ways. And when those of us who actually live in reality present the truth, it confuses you, it offends you, it disturbs you, and you are forced to dismiss it as "fanaticism" simple because we refuse to play your suicidal mind games.

Words again. I could have used the word "extreme measures". Fanaticism in our context was not meant to be an insult, but a simple description for "extreme" measures. It does not offend me, but yes, it disturbs me.
Banning Islam, deporting 1% of our population is to say the least "radical". I am not willing to accept the "collateral damage" of deporting or suppressing innocent people, even if that group is for the sake of the argument marginal. If the price for survival is that high, that it would force us to abandon everything we stand for, I promote in fact suicide.

Yep - in my book moral and ethical principles are indeed worth dying for.

24h after 9/11, I offered my services to the CIA/FBI. Unconditionally. I will die for this country, if she calls me.
Whatever I personally can do in the fight against (Muslim or other) fanaticism or terrorism, I am prepared to do.
But , what has been done to my own jewish family only 50 years ago, I will not do myself, even , if that means my demise. Such a world is not a place I personally want to live in.

You seem to be able to do that. To entertain insane ideas in face of insanity. I accept and respect your point of view and the fact that you are willing to pay an enormous price for our survival but...

Eradicating an entire culture, as nasty it may look at times, can not be the solution.

If you are right, and all your evidence is the ultimate truth, this world deserves another species to be extinct. That is my realistic conclusion. Not just another race or culture – the human species.

I asked the one Muslim, who responded to me: What price are you willing to pay for your wonderful paradise, as I ask you now the very same question.

Survival at all costs is not something I can buy in to.

In conclusion Noah – your price tag on our survival is too high for me. I'd rather die than to betray the memory of my Grandparents who died in Auschwitz by using the same methods to suppress my "enemy", as the Nazis did.

Can I deny the hatred and anger, I felt, when watching the video of the sermon given by the Imam in Birmingham? No. By all means, go ahead and euthanize this moron. Do I feel the same anger and hatred towards the hundreds of listeners, eating the propaganda up like manna from heaven? Nope. I feel sorry for them, as they are sheep being led to the slaughterhouse.

Watch the video, but focus on the British Muslim who comments on it. He is proof that there are ( some) modern Muslims, willing to call for reform and condemn those depraved, medieval teachings. Are you willing to sacrifice people like him with your drastic all encompassing MO too?

I am not, even, if these voices are at present few and far apart. It is another basic human need to be loved, respected and surrounded by support. I respect those who are willing to alienate their own and forego this basic need, as it deeply hurts to be belittled, patronized, attacked by people you call your own, just because you have a different viewpoint.

I am emotionally bruised, tired and exhausted by the onslaught of differing opinions here. And that came from my own people. It takes a good level of masochism to be willing to try, which is why these many silent people, the mythical moderates you call them, Noah, I hoped to see en masse, have not materialized.

They are simply much smarter than I am, but – let me tell you, my moderate friends –

as opposed to Noah and Susan, Infidel and dhimmi, I am ashamed of you and I walk away from here in disgust, whereas I respect the aforementioned as willing to speak up, voice at times harsh, even radical opinions and in general " do the work". They have backbone at least, whereas I can call you guys only Cowards with no spine. You enjoy the blessings and privileges of our society, yet lack any courage to defend it.

It does not matter what Susan or Noah or Infidel promote, but that they do it.

You on the other hand just watched like the passive onlookers in a NY Subway during a gang rape. Probably smiled ironically, shook your heads but otherwise just sat there nice and cozy.

If you – the silent majority – continue to do so, I can not come to any other conclusion than Noah –

we are doomed.

God help us all.

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an Islamophobe [259 words]Islamophobia no moreApr 3, 2007 03:3287720
cair wants sharia [39 words]susanApr 3, 2007 03:3987720
More diatribes from our dear INM aka M&M [103 words]dhimmi no moreApr 3, 2007 18:4387720
YOU DON'T GET THE POINT [19 words]moderate MuslimApr 3, 2007 20:2787720
For our dear INM and what is an Islamophobe part deux [343 words]dhimmi no moreApr 4, 2007 07:5387720
no matter how you turn it [67 words]susanApr 4, 2007 14:5187720
nobody is irrationally vilifying islam [234 words]susanApr 4, 2007 15:0887720
sharia allows slavery [18 words]susanApr 4, 2007 17:3987720
Dropping names and Si, comprende mucho! [111 words]dhimmi no moreApr 4, 2007 17:4887720
fallacy of bias history-reading [108 words]Islamophobia no moreApr 5, 2007 01:5987720
islamophobia, the stupidest word ever invented [124 words]susanApr 5, 2007 16:3087720
Cair and other people [171 words]moderate MuslimApr 5, 2007 22:1587720
CAIR [374 words]Noah WilkApr 6, 2007 14:5587720
Why then do you support it? [290 words]Noah WilkApr 6, 2007 15:0387720
cair = sharia = stone age [70 words]susanApr 6, 2007 15:1987720
Noah [124 words]moderate MuslimApr 6, 2007 23:4087720
M&M CAIR (big time LOL) and his flawed logic! [344 words]dhimmi no moreApr 7, 2007 08:3787720
Yes, Moderate Muslim, you ARE responsible! [516 words]Noah WilkApr 7, 2007 16:4587720
ROTFL [44 words]dhimmi no moreApr 7, 2007 18:3787720
al-Shari3a [10 words]dhimmi no moreApr 7, 2007 18:3987720
CAIR and mockery [26 words]dhimmi no moreApr 8, 2007 11:4087720
i'll see [37 words]moderate MuslimApr 8, 2007 22:3487720
Why aren't moderate muslims standing up? [55 words]Bob SterlingAug 20, 2007 23:5187720
why should the west win anyways if it continues with its current programme of warmongering? [434 words]cocoMay 6, 2009 12:0187720
islam & terror [627 words]John EdwardsOct 27, 2009 15:1387720
so here are you answers more if you want em [29 words]moderate MuslimMar 20, 2007 19:3287302
Moderate Muslim fails again! [1415 words]Noah WilkMar 21, 2007 15:3287302
mauritania has got legal slavery, allowed in islam [15 words]susanMar 21, 2007 16:5787302
MM [230 words]JaladhiMar 21, 2007 18:0187302
handshake with Kuffar? "Muslim debate schemes" and other sordid matters! [599 words]dhimmi no moreMar 22, 2007 07:5187302
morocco 50% literacy rate [18 words]susanMar 22, 2007 10:0387302
"Muslim debate schemes"! part deux [452 words]dhimmi no moreMar 24, 2007 14:1087302
Dhimmi No More - defenders of the faith have left town!!! [40 words]JaladhiMar 26, 2007 16:5687302
Your answer Plato (which is a really bad name for you, because it dishonores someone who actually thought [169 words]Moderate MuslimMar 20, 2007 19:1887298
Was the post for me? [45 words]PlatoMar 21, 2007 08:3087298
Try paying attention, Moderate Muslim [570 words]Noah WilkMar 21, 2007 17:5587298
blatantly clear? LOL [178 words]dhimmi no moreMar 21, 2007 19:5087298
To MM: Would Mohammed be a good name for me? [130 words]PlatoMar 22, 2007 14:0087298
you guys hate the truth, dontcha [23 words]moderate MuslimMar 22, 2007 17:1087298
clarification [36 words]Moderate MuslimMar 22, 2007 17:1287298
No, Im not beyond help, although I dont need much [73 words]moderate MuslimMar 22, 2007 17:1587298
Free will in islam? LOL [379 words]dhimmi no moreMar 24, 2007 08:1587298
you like lies don'tcha? [148 words]susanMar 25, 2007 10:2187298
To Syed [17 words]moderate MuslimMar 16, 2007 19:3086570
LOL syed is asking for caliphate [8 words]susanMar 18, 2007 10:1686570
Syed? LOL He has no credibility! [172 words]dhimmi no moreMar 18, 2007 12:5086570
Syeds are not Iranians?? [83 words]JaladhiMar 19, 2007 17:1886570
What? [35 words]moderate MuslimMar 19, 2007 19:2486570
For our dear M&M and islam [73 words]dhimmi no moreMar 20, 2007 17:4886570
To Moderate Muslim: Spreading Islam by avoiding unpleasant facts [389 words]PlatoMar 22, 2007 13:3586570
Sure, Syed's the perfect choice [230 words]JeffMar 27, 2007 18:2386570
i wasnt..... [77 words]moderate MuslimMar 27, 2007 22:0286570
THE JOKE'S ON YOU (DHIMMI) [32 words]moderate MuslimMar 16, 2007 19:2786568
And your point is? [244 words]dhimmi no moreMar 18, 2007 12:4086568
You dont know me, you dont even care [110 words]moderate MuslimMar 19, 2007 19:3686568
avoiding the sex slaves matter [52 words]susanMar 20, 2007 16:1186568
Uno Questiono por legion of doom [36 words]moderate MuslimMar 16, 2007 19:2586566
To Moderate Muslim: Global warming a belief? [63 words]PlatoMar 17, 2007 23:1186566
The Official Stance of the Legion of Doom On Global Warming [59 words]Noah WilkMar 18, 2007 10:1786566
youre just not answering [43 words]moderate MuslimMar 19, 2007 19:2986566
heheh, thanks plato [25 words]moderate MuslimMar 19, 2007 19:3086566
You were indeed given an answer [209 words]Noah WilkMar 20, 2007 15:2986566
They're not scared [107 words]Noah WilkMar 20, 2007 15:3686566
sex slaves conspiracy [101 words]susanMar 20, 2007 16:1486566
?? [72 words]moderate MuslimMar 22, 2007 17:1986566
Yes, you are on trial [223 words]Noah WilkMar 23, 2007 18:5786566
islam is not on trial, it's already convicted [14 words]susanMar 25, 2007 10:2686566
heh please [45 words]moderate MuslimMar 26, 2007 19:1686566
Spain and Arabian imperialism and justifying the absurd [69 words]dhimmi no moreMar 27, 2007 20:4886566
spain? islam flourished? [2978 words]susanMar 28, 2007 02:5786566
Islam is peace [103 words]moderate MuslimMar 14, 2007 21:3686334
disproved [331 words]susanMar 15, 2007 16:2486334
Islam and violence and silence [116 words]dhimmi no moreMar 18, 2007 17:3486334
uh NO [7 words]moderate MuslimMar 19, 2007 19:2586334
Our dear M&M has never been to a madrassa! [81 words]dhimmi no moreMar 24, 2007 14:2286334
A Peaceful Muslim Country (oh my) [259 words]moderate MuslimMar 11, 2007 21:2185929
...muslim [492 words]susanMar 12, 2007 18:3085929
very poor example [255 words]susanMar 12, 2007 18:4085929
Dave Chapelle? and who the heck is he? And why should we like him or hate him for this matter [235 words]dhimmi no moreMar 12, 2007 19:3985929
MALAYSIA A PEACEFUL MUSLIM COUNTRY???LOL [110 words]MOROUSMar 13, 2007 16:5385929
Malaysia is Saudi Arabia of East [142 words]JaladhiMar 13, 2007 19:1385929
Talking points, pillars, quibbles, quotes, examples, and some words of wisdom from the kennedys. [972 words]moderate MuslimMar 13, 2007 19:3285929
MY EMAILS? [13 words]muslimMar 13, 2007 21:2385929
Malaysia is Saudi Arabia of East - Pt. 2 [133 words]JaladhiMar 14, 2007 16:2785929
The good ole pillars of islam! [84 words]dhimmi no moreMar 14, 2007 16:4385929
kennedy quote? [659 words]susanMar 14, 2007 16:4485929
why does everyone not get it [32 words]moderate MuslimMar 14, 2007 19:4085929
huh?? [339 words]morousMar 15, 2007 12:2285929
Our dear M&M and you ain't Muqatil [61 words]dhimmi no moreMar 15, 2007 20:0485929
To Morous-Clarify a few things [291 words]moderate MuslimMar 15, 2007 21:2585929
your clarification Moderate [664 words]MorousMar 17, 2007 11:4685929
one clarification: malaysia has got sharia law [41 words]susanMar 18, 2007 10:1985929
literal interpretation [68 words]susanMar 18, 2007 10:2285929
Reply to Reply : morous [116 words]moderate MuslimMar 18, 2007 17:1585929
women as humans? [31 words]susanMar 20, 2007 04:5185929
It's Back in your court MODERATE [616 words]MorousMar 20, 2007 13:2585929
Malaysia? [171 words]surjApr 20, 2007 22:3485929
More Answers (Aisha) (ra) [2787 words]moderate MuslimMar 11, 2007 21:0685919
aisha the child [103 words]susanMar 12, 2007 18:3385919
To Moderate Muslim: Hiding the shame of Aisha's age and a Maulana abrogates 9:29 [989 words]PlatoMar 13, 2007 01:1385919
3A'isha and real history! and playing with dolls! [648 words]dhimmi no moreMar 13, 2007 07:2885919
Lies will not change historical age of Aisha at the time of her marriage [157 words]JaladhiMar 20, 2007 15:4385919
The Ultimate Post- No Hiding, No Crying, Just Answers [8353 words]moderate MuslimMar 8, 2007 22:1385330
I'm cherry picking Moderate Muslim's huge post [2178 words]Noah WilkMar 9, 2007 04:1485330
For our dear M&M and his bogus command of Islamic theology [454 words]dhimmi no moreMar 9, 2007 18:0085330
To Moderate Muslim: Ethical basis of Islam and the thrashing of women by men [2001 words]PlatoMar 10, 2007 07:3085330
For our dear Moderate Msulim and what is really a moderate Muslim?And other sordid matters [885 words]dhimmi no moreMar 10, 2007 07:4085330
More Answers-To Dhimmi [293 words]moderate MuslimMar 10, 2007 13:2085330
Our dear M&M and he is really a "bait"? and Jihad or holy war revisited part deux [653 words]dhimmi no moreMar 10, 2007 14:1585330
moderate [592 words]susanMar 10, 2007 15:0185330
For our dear M&M and Q2:216 ...part one! [832 words]dhimmi no moreMar 11, 2007 09:2885330
dhimmi ... [26 words]susanMar 11, 2007 10:3985330
For our dear M&M and Q9:4 part deux! [541 words]dhimmi no moreMar 11, 2007 14:4185330
moderate Muslim [61 words]moderate MuslimMar 11, 2007 17:4285330
Condemnable Offenses. Controlling Men [91 words]moderate MuslimMar 11, 2007 17:4585330
you have no idea what a race is again [13 words]susanMar 12, 2007 03:3885330
M&M and more fantasy [262 words]dhimmi no moreMar 12, 2007 07:5285330
To Moderate Muslim: Fight to make your neighbours submit to Allah [179 words]PlatoMar 12, 2007 10:1585330
response to moderate muslim [555 words]morousMar 12, 2007 16:2585330
invented by modern people? [111 words]susanMar 12, 2007 18:3085330
yeah, so? [97 words]moderate MuslimMar 12, 2007 19:2485330
To Moderate Muslim: On rape and chopping off hands [583 words]PlatoMar 12, 2007 23:1885330
Uh no [17 words]moderate MuslimMar 13, 2007 19:3385330
the joke is on you morous [36 words]moderate MuslimMar 13, 2007 19:3685330
Hypocritical Muslim [56 words]Noah WilkMar 13, 2007 20:4385330
origins [183 words]dhimmi no moreMar 13, 2007 21:5885330
Racism! Really? [147 words]dhimmi no moreMar 14, 2007 12:3185330
i am 100% correct [57 words]susanMar 14, 2007 16:2285330
More evidence [47 words]dhimmi no moreMar 14, 2007 16:5685330
Hypocrisy - thy name is.... [46 words]JaladhiMar 14, 2007 17:3185330
1Jesus is god? [26 words]moderate muslimMar 14, 2007 19:3185330
not quite making sense - at all [129 words]moderate MuslimMar 14, 2007 19:3785330
lies [30 words]moderate MuslimMar 14, 2007 19:3885330
His words? [226 words]dhimmi no moreMar 15, 2007 07:3985330
Muslims suppress free debate on anti Semitism at Leeds University, UK [163 words]DelboyMar 15, 2007 09:4985330
MM [135 words]susanMar 15, 2007 16:1485330
2My dear M&M and i'm glad that you asked and the Qur'an really says that Jesus is God! [93 words]dhimmi no moreMar 15, 2007 19:5985330
Uh what? [38 words]moderate MuslimMar 16, 2007 19:2185330
MM - Read Dhimmi No More's(who knows Arabic) posts to understand Q9:4 [92 words]JaladhiMar 19, 2007 17:4885330
Respond to what? [58 words]dhimmi no moreMar 19, 2007 20:1485330
For our dear M&M and the Qur'an really says that jesus is God and the bogus tawheed [140 words]dhimmi no moreMar 20, 2007 07:5185330
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE KORAN SAYS [22 words]MOROUSMar 20, 2007 14:0285330
The fundamentally faulty logic of the person called dhimmi no more [201 words]moderate MuslimMar 20, 2007 19:0185330
Astaghfirullah is M&M's lame answer [239 words]dhimmi no moreMar 23, 2007 07:2885330
Flat? Hardly [31 words]Moderate MuslimMar 25, 2007 21:5385330
Hand Chopping and Adultery [74 words]Mukhtar Ahmed KashifJul 30, 2009 12:4785330
Why I am proud to be a member of the Legion of Doom! [354 words]Noah WilkMar 8, 2007 21:0985321
The wake up call [15 words]Moderate MuslimFeb 26, 2007 16:2579077
You're talking, but you're not saying anything, Moderate Muslim [499 words]Noah WilkFeb 26, 2007 20:3579077
PEACEFUL NATION? YEAH, COMPARED TO THE HUNS [53 words]Moderate MuslimFeb 28, 2007 07:3279077
homework for moderate muslim [155 words]susanFeb 28, 2007 15:3479077
MM, you very well described actions of Muslims [98 words]JaladhiFeb 28, 2007 17:4279077
mob muslim contradiction [97 words]susanFeb 28, 2007 18:1079077
to mod.muslim [145 words]AnnaFeb 28, 2007 19:3479077
Susan [507 words]Moderate MuslimFeb 28, 2007 20:3479077
For our dear M&M and more fantasy [371 words]dhimmi no moreMar 1, 2007 06:0279077
peace.. [125 words]donvanMar 1, 2007 09:1879077
YES [87 words]Moderate MuslimMar 1, 2007 19:5079077
Strive to forgive what? [15 words]dhimmi no moreMar 2, 2007 17:2279077
don't believe you [65 words]susanMar 3, 2007 12:4879077
Response to Susan [153 words]moderate MuslimMar 5, 2007 20:0779077
educated fanatics.. [14 words]donvanMar 6, 2007 15:0079077
Anti-Semitic propaganda from our "Moderate" Muslim [340 words]Noah WilkMar 7, 2007 12:5179077
so many mistakes again [263 words]susanMar 7, 2007 15:0279077

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