Where do you come up with this stuff?
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Submitted by Noah Wilk (United States), Jan 21, 2007 at 04:05
Michel, what is wrong with you? Seriously. Where do you come up with this stuff? Who do the Muslims hate more, you or me? Who cares? They want to cut both out heads off or convert us to their death cult. But, let's do our standard point-by-point...
"What do you think about my personal interpretation? fanatic Muslims are much more afraid of people like me, because we do not give them the easy way out and allow them to respond to insults with insults, cliches or sheer reverse propaganda."
I'm sorry to have to say this again, but I think you're delusional if you truly believe that. When the Muslims see you begging them to speak up, when they see you speaking of compromise, when they see you acting ignorant of reality and subservient and asking absurd questions that we all know the answer to (such as "do Muslims condemn their McVeighs?"), well...they laugh at you! In their heads, here's what plays when they read your posts:
"Ha! That Michel guy still does not understand our resolve. He's weak and stupid like all westerners, christians, and zionists, and when the time comes, we'll enslave him or cut his head off!"
You need to learn to get inside the tribal mind of Muslims.
They probably hate me and if they could track me down they'd probably issue a fatwa for my death. They hate nothing more than those who are strong, refuse to compromise, ad speak the cold hard truth about Islam without holding back.
Contrary to what you believe, that is not "giving them the easy way out". They're going to spew their lies, their propaganda, their revisionist history, no matter which approach we take. Better to just tell it like it is and refuse to sugar coat it.
"The approach of asking simple respectful questions is so much more devastating, than to throw an expletive or simplistic qualification at the other side. Fanatism on our end plays in to the hands of the ones on the other side who call for Djihaad for instance.'
Michel, strip the word "fanaticism" from your vocabulary when you refer to posts by those of us who are unafraid to speak the cold hard truth. That is not fanaticism. It is moral strength. Speaking the cold hard truth does not "play into their hands". Acting stupid and treating them with kid gloves is what encourages them to react with calls for jihad. Re-read some of my earlier posts where I challenged Muslims to show us what positive contributions history will judge Islam as having contributed to the world. The question is straight forward, it is not filled with expletives, nor is it a "simplistic qualification.
"Fanatics have no answer to moderation and the lack of ability to come up with rational answers to intelligent questions only depicts them as weak. Not us. Silence as the only way out seems to prove my point here."
No kidding. And they've been silent on every one of my challenges to prove me wrong or to clarify any points. What does that tell you? It doesn't matter what you say to them. If it isn't "Allahu Akbar", they want to kill you.
"Since we are finding ourselves in a form of Propaganda War here in its purest definition, your platform delivers to closet and actual funtamentalist radicals exactly the kind of ammunition they need to go back to their people and say:[snip]"
They do that anyway. We gain nothing with them by not speaking in a clear, authoritative, honest, and straight forward manner. Sugar coating it, being PC, asking absurd questions, and "playing nice" are all seen by them as weakness. So while they may takes posts like mine and say:
"See? The infidels are violent Islam-haters who want to destroy Islam"
they take posts like yours and say:
"See? The infidels are weak, stupid, and easy to manipulate"
Either way, they use it as propaganda. So better to be morally clear and unflinching and stop worrying about what they're going to say. Better for them to fear and hate us than for them to disrespect and hate us.
" I on the other hand do not give them an (easy) target to shoot at with reverse propaganda."
No, you give them the model of a weak westerner who is too stupid to see reality. That's how your posts come off to them, trust me. And that's worse than a post like mine which makes them hate me. They hate the Republicans more than the Democrats, because they know the Democrats have even less stomach to fight the war correctly than the Republicans do. It would be a fatal error to believe that either is less likely a target.
"It is why I dare to venture, that any radical Muslim hates my guts so much more, than he could possibly hate you, who promotes a nuclear strike, as I pull the very carpet under their feet away, which they base their sick rationale upon."
Well I'm glad you're getting a high off your own self-perceived superiority in the eyes of hateful Islam, but keep in mind that it is as illusory as an acid trip. Does it make you feel important to believe they hate you more? See, this is why you can't really discuss this stuff. To you it's just a big, silly mind game, not an existential war. They hate me more because I stick it in their faces and refuse to compromise, and the thing they hate worst of all is an unflinching Crusader. You do have one up on me though, when it comes to how much they disrespect you. They're more disgusted with you than they are with me. They see you as weak and easy to manipulate, and they look down on you for that.
Why any of that would matter to you though, is beyond me.
"Now - How do you think the community as a whole may react to that?
And if they don't see my post, they'll print up yours and say "See, the infidel is weak and deluded and asks silly, weak, Western-style questions such as 'how do Muslims treat their McVeighs?'. The infidel is weak and for that reason we must destroy him."
They hate me, they have contempt for you. And they will use anything either of us says to incite their propaganda. Anything they cannot pervert into propaganda of one form or another they will simply ignore. Hence, you should stop worrying about it and stop trying to play internet psychologist to the Islamic world. It leads nowhere.
" As soon, as you allow your emotions to drive your actions or decision making process, you will loose the fight."
Who's allowing their emotions to drive their actions? My posts are based on the cold hard light of truth. Nothing I have said can be proven untrue, because it is all based on factual evidence. This is why the Muslims avoid my posts like kryptonite...because they have no defense. On the few occasions when they try to counter with their propaganda, I surgically deconstruct their arguments, call it for the propaganda that it is, and silence them. They get real quiet once you show they you're immune to fear, propaganda, and manipulation.
"My opinion in this analogy: smothering the enemy with an asphyxiating embrace, using his own energy against himself is much more efficient than responding with a simple push back, threats and/or oppression."
Right. Kumbayah. Group hug. Give the world a Coca Cola. Go re-read the history of WWII. Better yet, go read this article that Jaladhi posted (thanks Jaladhi!). It is by far the single finest post on the subject that I have ever had the pleasure of reading. This man is a true warrior, and should be running our military.
Read it. Re-read it. Memorize it. Chant it until it permeates your soul, fills the cells of your body, and oozes out of your pores. Only then will you have the mentality to fight Islam.
"In a nutshell: Radical Muslims fear us moderate, relativistic Infidels much more, than any conventional warfare or fanatic opposition, because we do not give them the room to use their propaganda and be the martyrs in the eyes of their own kind."
You're free to believe whatever strange and unfounded thoughts you have. That does not mean they're true.
And no, they do not fear you more. They merely loathe you more. Again, this is all a big mind game to you. You're out of your league and should not even be discussing this material. You refuse to deal with reality.
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