You can't win, Mo!
Submitted by Noah Wilk (United States), Jan 14, 2007 at 03:01
Mo, you cannot win these arguments. Let's review what you just said:
"I see this to go nowhere. I am not here to debate, nor am I here to win some sort of an ideological battle, albeit in a hypothetical manner. What I have previously said I think still stands, regardless of your attempts to undermine my claims and points."
I have not "attempted to undermine" your claims and points. I have blown them out of the water and disproven them with the cold hard light of reality.
"I believe people who are searching for the truth can see for themselves what is plain and what is not. I would point out though that I am here to make clear and propagate Islam as it is, though there are many people in this site that try to do exactly that; propagate their version of Islam, they are entitled to do this."
I'm not trying to propagate Islam in any way, shape, or form. I am trying to propogate the truth about Islam, as proven in reality and history. You, on the other hand, are trying to spew propaganda. As I said before, unfortunately for you there are those of us who know better and who know how to dispute your propaganda.
"As I said, I am not here to debate with you and try to win a hypothetical debate."
It's not a hypothetical debate. It's a discussion on the realities of Islam. And you cannot win as long as you refuse to acknowledge reality. Your propaganda simply does not stand up to the light of reality and truth.
"Your reference to the reports on the penal system enforced by the Taliban and Iran, I cannot make excuses for them, but can however remind you of the punishments for adultery and homosexuality, it death and death, respectively."
Which is of course barbaric in itself. The fact that a rape victim is almost always treated as the criminal in Muslim countries proves Islam's backwards barbarity and uncivilized behavior towards women. When a virgin is sentenced to be hanged (for some ridiculous minor "offense") in Islamic countries, she cannot be hung since she is a virgin. So they have the guards gang rape her. That was she's not a virgin and can be hanged. There's civilization for you!
"The enforcement is subjected to evidence through the legal justice system. The Prophet (p) said "If there is ever a doubtful case, refrain from implementing the penalty""
Oh, you mean like when that girl who was sentenced to be hanged was declared to be 22 years old despite a birth certificate showing she was just 16? Nice how the clerics there follow their prophet.
"My claims about security still stand, if there are individual Muslim who misuse their trust then God will judge them accordingly"
Tell you what. You put your faith in Allah. The rest of us will gladly send all the Muslim terrorists, murderers, rapists, and troublemakers to Allah via Express Delivery (in bulk) and he can sort them out. What Allah does with them, I care not.
"This emphasises the importance of leadership in Islam in providing safety and security to the masses."
Yeah, we see all that concern for security of the people in the so-called Palestinian territories, in Egypt, in Sudan, in Iran, etc.
"Why do you refer to Hamas?"
Because they are a terrorist organization that was voted into office by the so-called Palestinians.
"My claims about good works; I meant "good" you know "good" if killing innocent people is good in your eyes, then that's your problem"
It is good to kill those who plot to committ terror, those who engage in terror, those who endorse terror. Such people are not "innocent". I would give the so-called "moderate" Muslims in America a chance to leave peacefully, of their own accord. If they refuse, then force would be used. Force which they would have called down on themselves.
"I think if unbiased people, those free from prejudices, read my articles and yours respectively, they would know who is in line with reality."
Yes, those of us who acknowledge reality and can back our points with proof. In other words, not you.
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