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Reader comment on item: Paul Goodman, MP, Analyses Radical Islam

Submitted by bdoran (Germany), Jan 6, 2007 at 05:44

His analysis and yours are correct; it is Islamism, and not Islam, and the UK has a chance. Unfortunately this argument has no more war-fighting utility than it's Nazi's not Germans, the Japanese war party not all Japanese, etc and we are in fact at war. In fact, these arguments are trivial to the war effort once we disengage from close contact in trying to help the terrorized masses in the Muslim world, which means close combat with the actual guilty bastards trying to destroy both us and the future of the rest of the Muslims.

I know from being in Iraq that many of the civilians will respond to a credible offer of protection from the insurgents, whose GIA-like tactics alienate everyone, forcing all to live in fear. If you don't believe me, believe the AQ in UK tablique fighters who came back from Iraq to UK and voiced exactly that complaint.

Which brings up an opportunity ALL are missing: the very same petty, mindless, lowlife criminal brutality gets them their way often in the short term TURNS ALL against them in the long one, even in Iraq and Afghanistan. Even the conservative Arab tribes, ordinary rural people (like the ones around where I am, Balad...which is rich farmland with Sunni/Shia mix) end up more or less very quickly having had enough with the murderous yet petty nihilism, their criminal behaviors (using KNR of even small children to raise funds, their chief source of raising money internally). No matter how lofty their rhetoric, how theologically valid the fatwas (can you tell I've been reading Scheuer) it falls apart in the eyes of the very people they need to raise as the umma nation, the very fish they need to swim in, the very recruiting base they need. Responding both as part of their manly duties and to their own power base, the sheiks and tribal elders will, and do turn on the erhabi (Iraqi for terrorist) and IF we were only there for them, IF our gutless, groveling abject eunuch Generals would let us be there for the Arabs when they turn, village by village and block by block at those moments WE WOULD begin to win.

And that's why, unless you plan to nuke em all (hah hah hah), we need to re-engage the Iraqi's, and start creating those safe havens for the people who are not so much sick of war, but sick of the petty megleomaniac pyschopaths who are the foot soldiers of jihad.

Of course, I doubt that this opportunity will remain on the table forever. Sooner or later, they will clean up their tactics. And then we will have missed another opportunity, like the Palestinians.


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Nothing is better than the original [463 words]Dr RJPMay 2, 2007 15:28
The Kernal of the Problem [99 words]G.DiogenesFeb 21, 2007 10:02
⇒ UK's chances [451 words]bdoranJan 6, 2007 05:44
N Y Sun, Israeli Arabs [79 words]Al RamyDec 19, 2006 20:56
Too late for UK [105 words]S A KapadiaDec 19, 2006 09:02
Paul Goodman, MP [117 words]steven LDec 18, 2006 15:43
When will muslim tyranny end [136 words]micheal bareliJun 4, 2008 09:34
Radicals! [154 words]steven LJun 5, 2008 12:22
"Soft" Sharia in Britain [136 words]DM AndyDec 11, 2006 15:49
Surprised Pipes has no complaints about Goodman's distinction between Islamism and Islam
[w/response] [212 words]
traehDec 4, 2006 03:53
The United Kingdom and Muslims [130 words]OctavioDec 11, 2006 16:41
Yes to Octavio [64 words]MichaelJun 4, 2008 09:22
Reactionaries [230 words]SafrazDec 3, 2006 15:35
OK, as per this analogy, how about ZIONISM, CHRISTIANISM, HINDUAISM? [55 words]Amir Ali TayyabNov 30, 2006 17:32
You are right Tayyab! [116 words]MosheDec 1, 2006 03:04
where did the USA come from in my earlier post? [16 words]amir ali tayyabJun 23, 2008 05:02
Tory Split [27 words]DavodNov 30, 2006 10:33
Re. There is no such creature as "Radical" Islam [75 words]Ronald BarbourNov 26, 2006 11:02
part truths [372 words]rwNov 26, 2006 04:34
..a common culture.... [172 words]donvanNov 27, 2006 11:26
Arabs and racism and sexism! [314 words]dhimmi no moreNov 22, 2006 16:35
Dhimmi no more [264 words]VijayNov 23, 2006 04:41
For Vijay; good points! [468 words]dhimmi no moreNov 24, 2006 17:39
response to Vijay [408 words]zakyNov 25, 2006 22:38
For Dali or is it Zaki and Arabs are racists and anti-blacks and the absurd! [414 words]dhimmi no moreNov 26, 2006 21:16
dhimmi no more [238 words]ZakyNov 27, 2006 03:48
Continuation to my previous post [61 words]zakyNov 27, 2006 04:00
For Zaki and Allah and polemics! [130 words]dhimmi no moreNov 28, 2006 07:06
For Zaki and Quranic tafseer/ta'weel! [179 words]dhimmi no moreNov 28, 2006 07:20
to dhimmi [126 words]dhimmiNov 28, 2006 15:58
dhimmi no [264 words]zakyNov 28, 2006 16:27
For Zaki and Allah and polemics part deux! [561 words]dhimmi no moreNov 28, 2006 18:18
For zaky and your credebility is on the line! [281 words]dhimmi no moreNov 29, 2006 07:47
For Zaky And I got news for you too! [326 words]dhimmi no moreNov 29, 2006 18:33
To dhimmi [167 words]zakyNov 29, 2006 22:21
To Dhimmi nomore [182 words]VijayNov 30, 2006 14:29
For Vijay Islam polemics and violence! [188 words]dhimmi no moreDec 2, 2006 08:19
For zaky and your credibility is on the line part deux! [226 words]dihmmi no moreDec 2, 2006 09:15
cheap delivery [35 words]cheap deliveryFeb 12, 2007 08:16
Reply [40 words]NadSep 13, 2007 16:51
Disagreement [153 words]SalwaMar 6, 2009 13:34

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