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Reader comment on item: Paul Goodman, MP, Analyses Radical Islam

Submitted by rw (Australia), Nov 26, 2006 at 04:34

I have been reading Dr Pipes materials for some years, and will probably continue to do so for information. However the position he seems to be taking seems to me increasingly to be fraught with problems, which this article and that about the book America Alone have highlighted for me.

The conservative MP, in a view Dr Pipes seems to endorse, suggests that Islamism and Islam can be seperated. They can't; Islamism is part and parcel and Islam. An analysis that doesn't see this is fundamentally flawed. Islamism is part of the world problem of Islam.

The view, as Dr Pipes states it, of America Alone, which again seems to be endorsed, seems also to me remote from the facts - a look at recent European history would quickly knock quite a lot of it on the head. I think it is closer to the truth to say something like the following - that the whole world is shrinking, that increasingly there is one common culture, and the problems of the west are universal. The idea that europe is dying and the US isn't is daft - there is one culture under the same threats. Both areas have the same politically secularist outlook, and similar demographic problems. The US has two substantial advantages. Firstly, the secularist outlook still has not completely masked the Christian roots of the society. Secondly, the 'invasion' of foreign workers into the US is much more positive, since, being Hispanic, it has the same roots.

In the great global culture there are, one might say, two competing ideals, that of the open culture and that of the closed. Open culture, finally, depends on individuals voluntarily working together, on personal freedom, on acceptance of others. Among the many forces fundamentally opposed to that sort of ideal one of the outstanding ones is Islam, which, notably in its extreme form of Islamism, is committed to the closed society. Hedonistic America, the land of Hollywood, coca cola and the gay marriage has no more claim to being capable of the moral defence of the open society than does Europe, though it still seems to be the case that there are more responsible inidividuals, and more hope of leadership from your country.


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Nothing is better than the original [463 words]Dr RJPMay 2, 2007 15:28
The Kernal of the Problem [99 words]G.DiogenesFeb 21, 2007 10:02
UK's chances [451 words]bdoranJan 6, 2007 05:44
N Y Sun, Israeli Arabs [79 words]Al RamyDec 19, 2006 20:56
Too late for UK [105 words]S A KapadiaDec 19, 2006 09:02
Paul Goodman, MP [117 words]steven LDec 18, 2006 15:43
When will muslim tyranny end [136 words]micheal bareliJun 4, 2008 09:34
Radicals! [154 words]steven LJun 5, 2008 12:22
"Soft" Sharia in Britain [136 words]DM AndyDec 11, 2006 15:49
Surprised Pipes has no complaints about Goodman's distinction between Islamism and Islam
[w/response] [212 words]
traehDec 4, 2006 03:53
The United Kingdom and Muslims [130 words]OctavioDec 11, 2006 16:41
Yes to Octavio [64 words]MichaelJun 4, 2008 09:22
Reactionaries [230 words]SafrazDec 3, 2006 15:35
OK, as per this analogy, how about ZIONISM, CHRISTIANISM, HINDUAISM? [55 words]Amir Ali TayyabNov 30, 2006 17:32
You are right Tayyab! [116 words]MosheDec 1, 2006 03:04
where did the USA come from in my earlier post? [16 words]amir ali tayyabJun 23, 2008 05:02
Tory Split [27 words]DavodNov 30, 2006 10:33
Re. There is no such creature as "Radical" Islam [75 words]Ronald BarbourNov 26, 2006 11:02
⇒ part truths [372 words]rwNov 26, 2006 04:34
..a common culture.... [172 words]donvanNov 27, 2006 11:26
Arabs and racism and sexism! [314 words]dhimmi no moreNov 22, 2006 16:35
Dhimmi no more [264 words]VijayNov 23, 2006 04:41
For Vijay; good points! [468 words]dhimmi no moreNov 24, 2006 17:39
response to Vijay [408 words]zakyNov 25, 2006 22:38
For Dali or is it Zaki and Arabs are racists and anti-blacks and the absurd! [414 words]dhimmi no moreNov 26, 2006 21:16
dhimmi no more [238 words]ZakyNov 27, 2006 03:48
Continuation to my previous post [61 words]zakyNov 27, 2006 04:00
For Zaki and Allah and polemics! [130 words]dhimmi no moreNov 28, 2006 07:06
For Zaki and Quranic tafseer/ta'weel! [179 words]dhimmi no moreNov 28, 2006 07:20
to dhimmi [126 words]dhimmiNov 28, 2006 15:58
dhimmi no [264 words]zakyNov 28, 2006 16:27
For Zaki and Allah and polemics part deux! [561 words]dhimmi no moreNov 28, 2006 18:18
For zaky and your credebility is on the line! [281 words]dhimmi no moreNov 29, 2006 07:47
For Zaky And I got news for you too! [326 words]dhimmi no moreNov 29, 2006 18:33
To dhimmi [167 words]zakyNov 29, 2006 22:21
To Dhimmi nomore [182 words]VijayNov 30, 2006 14:29
For Vijay Islam polemics and violence! [188 words]dhimmi no moreDec 2, 2006 08:19
For zaky and your credibility is on the line part deux! [226 words]dihmmi no moreDec 2, 2006 09:15
cheap delivery [35 words]cheap deliveryFeb 12, 2007 08:16
Reply [40 words]NadSep 13, 2007 16:51
Disagreement [153 words]SalwaMar 6, 2009 13:34

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