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Submitted by zzazzeefrazzee (United States), Nov 24, 2006 at 22:12

Donovan, and you're point is? Please re-read my comments that you repsonded to, in addition to my earlier ones made here. I posted links to Muslim women who take much the same position.

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/66276

More to the point, take a look at the web sites I posted.
Basically my criticism is that Daniel only mentioned the veil - meaning the niqab- which is a full facial covering, and fails to address the hijab- which is a covering worn over the air, and in some intepretations, over the neck. The latter is of course what is more commonly worn by women in most Muslim societies, not the niqab, burqa, or chadoor. The hijab is really not that different than the habit that is worn by nuns. Many of my fellow Americans fail to distinguish between them. Hence I often find my self educating my fellow Americans about these little nuances, and that if they are hot to ban headscarves, then by the same measure, we should ban nuns from wearing habits too. (thanks to Daniel for kindly repsonding, but I still think you could do more to thoroughly educate your readers!)

Of course, this ties into the fact that Daniel could do much more to feature those Muslims who support the west, take a more moderate view, and criticize Islamist Terrorists (known as "Irhabiyeen" In Arabic) and so on. Yet I guess that would mean he would run the risk of appearing "politically correct" which most conservatives are loathe to do.

Then again, I think Daniel does a FAR better job of regularly featuring such moderate Muslims in a positive light than his friend Robert Spencer does. Robert has a tendency to berate if not excoriate moderates for failing to adhere to the letter of a sacred text that he doesn't like, all the while ignoring some remarkably similar elements in the Bible. Of course, how modern Jews and Christians came to shed themselves of these ancient stautes is a valid question, and one that Spencer routinely ingnores. Apparently, if he thinks that moderate Muslims don't adhere to the letter of the Qur'an, while he himself doesn't adhere to the letter of the Bible, it's not OK.

For example, he took issue with Dr. Musdah Mulia, MA, for failing to interpret the Qur'an correctly, in his view.

An article by Dr. Mulia':
http://islamlib.com/en/page.php?page=article&id=554

Spencer's diatribes against her and those like her:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17696

and a cogent criticism of Spencer's article by Khaleel Mohammad
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17727

but my favorite link of late is this:

http://www.apaam.org/

and in particular, this essay:

http://www.apaam.org/September11thEvent_Sept06.htm

Check out the female Muslim marine discussing her job with Muslim women in full hijab. She is fighting in our military (without headscarf).

Care to express your thanks and gratitude?

I do!!!!

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oddly powerful anonymity [73 words]nicoletteDec 26, 2006 10:1370590
1Well done - Dutch [16 words]VijayNov 18, 2006 11:2366500
Modesty or nudity [47 words]TruthJul 11, 2008 05:0666500
1Awful truth [92 words]BronsonMay 15, 2009 03:2266500
More Muslim Women against the Burqa [167 words]zzazzeefrazzeeNov 16, 2006 00:1666279
1truth is... [231 words]donvanNov 22, 2006 08:1566279
Donovan- I think we're on the same page here. [456 words]zzazzeefrazzeeNov 24, 2006 22:1266279
1POINT OF CONTENTION.. [108 words]DONVANNov 27, 2006 09:0866279
Shall we ban nuns from wearing habits then? [89 words]zzazzeefrazzeeNov 28, 2006 19:1066279
1the difference.... [176 words]DONVANNov 30, 2006 15:4466279
hijab is not a political statement [835 words]zzazzeefrazzeeDec 12, 2006 15:0066279
VERY GOOD POST... [147 words]DONVANDec 12, 2006 16:4666279
Dear Donvan part two! [173 words]SpotterDec 23, 2006 04:5666279
Hijab [88 words]donvanDec 25, 2006 07:0766279
1Nawal El Saadawi [79 words]Krista K.Dec 31, 2006 23:0266279
Should the nikab be banned? [87 words]Krista KDec 31, 2006 23:3266279
1YES, IT IS .. [161 words]DONVANAug 3, 2007 16:4166279
1Thank you.. [71 words]donvanAug 3, 2007 16:5366279
2Show us your face, please! [114 words]Octavio JohansonNov 15, 2006 11:0066192
1burqua wars... [67 words]donvanNov 14, 2006 14:0966089
Muslim Women against the Niqab and Burqa [171 words]
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zzazzeefrazzeeNov 15, 2006 23:5466089
1About time [78 words]sur kaiNov 24, 2006 20:5366089
the habit & the hijab [162 words]donvanNov 28, 2006 09:5366089
Dear Donvan [186 words]SpotterDec 23, 2006 04:3366089
1regarding the "Hijab" [95 words]donvanDec 25, 2006 06:5266089
Reply to Donvan [385 words]SpotterDec 26, 2006 01:3966089
1a little tolerance... [201 words]donvanDec 27, 2006 08:3366089
what? [146 words]eh..Feb 1, 2007 21:3766089
1I love Muslims..... [181 words]donvanFeb 5, 2007 09:5166089
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Are u kidding? [139 words]ehMar 26, 2007 17:0966089
1what more evidence do we need.. [265 words]donvanMar 28, 2007 09:4466089
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1what is your point... [91 words]donvanApr 2, 2007 11:3866089
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1Thanks for the response [161 words]donvanApr 9, 2007 10:3766089
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2Our dear eh and Islam is the religion of peace? You must be kidding! [72 words]dhimmi no moreApr 10, 2007 07:0366089
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