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For Coco and Muslim logic revisted one more time!

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Nov 12, 2006 at 17:11

My dear coco I just have a few questions for you:

1. In Surat al-Fatiha do you read the word MLK (this is the rasm of the word) as: Maalki (meem alif lam with a kasra and kaf with a kasra) or maliki (meem lam with a kasra and kaf with a kasra) and notice that the alif and the kasra below the the lam and kasra below the kaf were added to the defective rasm by the brazen Muslim 3Ulama and for sure the alif and the two kasras are not the word of your Allah. And so much for the unedited Qur'an.

Now the rasm of the word MLK can be read as: Maaliki or the owner of (you will find such reading in the 1923-1924 Cairo Qur'an) , or Maliki or the King of (you will find such reading in the Tunisia Qur'an printed in 1969 and it is a correct reading too). So Muhammad either recited such word as maaliki or as maliki and it cannot be both. So how did Muhammad recite such a word: MLK? And your guess is? How do you explain that my dear coco? Do you know what this really mean:

A. It is that the Quranic material pre-dates Muhammad and was already old when he died in 632CE. But this would detach the Qur'an from Muhammad!

B. Or that the Qur'an existed as logia and pericopes and was not canonized until the 3Ulama stabilized the language of the text in the 3rd century of Islam. Well this would detach Islam from Arabia!

So which one is it my dear coco?

So much for the same and unchanged Qur'an.

2. As for the question posed by the Jews of Mecca to Abul Qasim about the very simple and profound Aristotelain question: "If God created you, then who really created God?" You will find this story in "Sirat Rasul Allah" in Ibn Hisham's recension of Ibn Ishaq's sira, pages 571-572. And you must pardon me my dear coco but your Allah and his rasul had poor command in matters of Aristotelian logic.

Well, we are told that in response to such question Muhammad lost his temper but Gabriel arrived with the revelation of Q112!! Again your Allah and his rasul had no clue about the so called "circular reasoning"! And the Jews of Mecca were corretely not very impressed by your Allah and his rasul command of logic then they posed the next question to Muhammad: "but how did Allah do it? what limbs did he use?" Then we are told that Gabriel then came with Q39:67:"and they have estimated god falsely for at the resurection he shall grasp the entire earth and the heavens folded in his hands." The Jews were for sure not satisfied with such bogus answer but Muahmmad the poor thelogian and whose logic was defective thought that the matter was closed.

So did you learn something today our dear coco?

As for the word: al-ssamad (notice that there is a shadda above the sad letter) this is a word that puzzled the Muslim masorites (those that examined the language of the Qur'an from Tabari to Suyuti) so to tell me with great confidence that you really know what this word means is nothing short of your poor Muslim education!

3. As for Muslims and al-Hajj your little gem about many do not go because they are young or they are too old to go is nothing short of being bizarre logic!

Stay tuned for more!

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