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How to expose CAIR and other Islamic organisations in the West

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Submitted by Dr. Tawfik Hamid (New Zealand), Mar 9, 2006 at 15:11

I am an Arab Muslim and a Reformer of Islam (See: www.thamid.com).

I believe that it is extremely important to ask CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations) and other Islamic organizations in the West to express their view loudly and in an UNAMBIGIOUS manner regarding the following points that are considered an Integral part of the current Islamic teaching (which is being taught to young Muslims in the West):

1- Killing Muslims who convert from Islam to other religions (Redda Law which is part of Shariia System in Saudi Arabia)
2- Declaring war on Non-Muslims to give them a choice between Islam-Jizia (Humiliating tax)- and Killing (this was the way to spread Islam and is approved till now in the current Islamic books)
3- Stoneing women for having "illegal" sex (i.e. outside marriage or the Islamic slavery system as practiced in Saudi Arabia till now)
4- Killing homosexuals (as described in the current Islamic books and practiced in Iran and other Islamic countries)
5- Beating women or wives to discipline them
6- Slavery (As practiced by Prophet Mohammed his followers in the history of Islam)
7- Enslaving female war prisoners and raping them (Ma Malakat Aimanikum) as justified in the traditional Islamic teaching
8- Accepting Dhimmi status for Non-Muslims - the correct word in Arabic is "Zhimmi"- (this is a form of second class citizen who do not have the same rights as Muslims do) under an Islamic system
9- Is marrying and having sex with a 7-9 years old female child to follow in the foot steps of Prophet Mohammed (as described in Hadith Sahih in Sahih Al-Buchary) "Halal" (acceptable) or WRONG?
10- Calling Jews "pigs and monkeys" in the current Islamic teaching.

CAIR and all other Islamic Organizations in the West have to publish clearly their view about these points. Their view has to be unambiguous.

If these Islamic organizations accept the above crimes (or in other words reject the basic tenants of humanity), then it is impossible to consider them a true partner in a process of mutual understanding and interfaith dialogue.

How come the civilized world deal with people who accept the above mentioned eight points?

Failure to clearly denounce the above mentioned points by any Islamic organization would immediately expose it to the western people.

Can we consider people and organizations who accept the above 10 points in their teaching as moderate organizations or shall we consider them a threat to any free society?

Many of these "moderate" organizations like CAIR will denounce the above 10 points in an ambiguous manner, because the moment they do this, they will lose the support of most Muslims communities in the West and the financial support from rich Muslims!

I now invite CAIR to publicly give their true opinion about the previously mentioned 10 points (killing the apostate, beating women, slavery, wars to spread Islam..........!

Dr. Tawfik Hamid

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How to expose CAIR and other Islamic organisations in the West [471 words]Dr. Tawfik HamidMar 9, 2006 15:1139531
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4Slavery and rape are encouraged in the koran Harrak [380 words]Richard Lion heartMar 13, 2006 01:0039531
Richard the Lion Heart and his lies making machine [210 words]HarrakMar 13, 2006 15:5139531
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Slavery and rape are encouraged in the koran Harrak (Only Disbelievers say THIS ) [242 words]Aziz HatamiFeb 16, 2007 16:0039531
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For Aziz and Q33:50 and the Qur'an indeed encourges slavery and consanguinty! No wonder Muslims have serious genetic problems [252 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 17, 2007 17:1739531
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