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It is Britain not the USA that has abandoned treason
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Submitted by Maggie (Australia), Aug 17, 2005 at 04:30

I have read some but not all of the comments. First of all, Daisy, you are one person who thinks very much in the same way as myself. I agree with your comments.

However, what I want to address is the way that there seems to be a misunderstanding about what constitutes treason and whether or not this is recognized in the USA or in the UK. My understanding is that the USA has not abandoned the concept of treason, and that in the recent past there have been quite a few people who have been charged with the crime of treason. This is specifically true for people who act as spies for foreign governments, and who pass to the spies of those governments documents that can compromise the security of one's country.

Also, there are prisoners in Guantanamo Bay, such as David Hicks the Australian, who are facing charges of treason because they were captured whilst fighting with the enemy. Yes, Al Qaeda is the enemy of all of us, and we should not think of them in any other way.

It would seem that as far as the USA is concerned the crime of treason is alive and well. Now the article written by Dr. Pipes was addressing the situation in Great Britain and not the USA. In Great Britain, as one correspondent (who like myself is part-Irish and part-Scots, and born elsewhere)has correctly stated the charge of treason is a lot harder to prove and make it stick. The reason, as he pointed out is that the judiciary is full of woolly headed jerks. However, it is not just the judiciary that is at fault, for it is also the Public or Civil Service that must bear responsibility for this situation.

I posted on another thread some information regarding the attitude of Islamists in Great Britain. It should come as no surprise that the men who have been named are the ones who are preaching hatred towards the government of Great Britain. They preach in private and in public they make statements that have a double meaning. In other words it is very hard catching them in the act of inciting racial hatred (yes, the Islamists are the ones who are inciting racial hatred towards Britons) and extreme behaviour towards the Kaffur. Every single one of us who are not a part of Islam are Kaffur, and the same is true of every moderate Muslim who does not believe in engaging in these terror tactics. The lives of the moderate Muslims are also on the line, and in the eyes of these hardliners these people are also Kaffur, and therefore they are not innocent.

The British Government needs to forget all about continuing the disastrous multicultural experiment. It needs to revise her immigration policy and Great Britain needs to begin to restrict entry into that country, everyone who comes from a third world background where there has been an increase in Islamofacism in the past 30 years. Yes, it is time for a little bit of cultural profiling so that immigration is restricted against those who fit the profile of would be murderers. At the same time the British Government needs to take a keener interest in young British citizens of Pakistani origin who are in the habit of returning to Pakistan, since it is more than likely that these British-Pakistanis are involved with Islamofacism and that they are returning to Pakistan in order to attend a training camp.

I would suggest that the Australian Government should follow the same course of action. In fact I think it is high time that we returned to a modified White Australia policy and that potential immigrants from Lebanon, Syria, Pakistan, Sudan and several other third world countries are fully vetted before they are allowed to set foot into this country. We already have a problem with boat people who are not in fact refugees. One family claimed to be from Afghanistan and it turned out that they were from Pakistan. The potential for the Islamofacists to slip into this country as boat people is a present danger.

I have already mentioned David Hicks, the Australian who is awaiting trial in Guantanamo Bay. However, David Hicks is not the only Australian who has potentially committed treason against Australia. There are at least 5 former soldiers who have signed up with the enemy. One of them was recently seen on a video where he was using threatening language. Another Australian, Mahmoud Habib, a man of Pakistani origin has for the moment escaped the net. However, his comments after the July 7 bombing certainly suggest that he is involved in treason against Australia.

If they plot to kill the citizens of Australia, Great Britain and the USA then they are committing treason, for they have refused to obey their oath of loyalty to that particular country. Treason should remain a very serious offence for which one can be shot to death. (Treason is an exception where my opposition to the death penalty is concerned)

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interesting omissions
[w/response] [211 words]
John PhilipsSep 1, 2006 20:56
Control the Asylum seekers and Immigrants from Islamic countries [114 words]Faqi HussainSep 2, 2005 02:11
killed for being American [49 words]maksmanAug 30, 2005 14:16
Re: Multiculturalislam [533 words]Reuben HorneAug 25, 2005 18:26
Treason [64 words]YovenAug 23, 2005 16:52
Astute observation... [77 words]J.S.Aug 22, 2005 15:51
Reply to Vijay's article [100 words]Rachelle Assouline-SeynaeveAug 22, 2005 07:18
Treason?
[w/response] [52 words]
MarigoldAug 22, 2005 01:18
Response to Jaladhi: Islamic Trojan Horse [274 words]Jan VinkAug 21, 2005 14:08
Revive treason [60 words]Martin E. WeinsteinAug 20, 2005 08:05
Response to Death of Reason [834 words]MaggieAug 19, 2005 17:32
Cooks disputing over recipes, Response to Ellen [397 words]charles fortnerAug 19, 2005 16:29
I totally agree - Response to : The End of treason (by JB) [4 words]tom nortonAug 19, 2005 15:55
response to mr pipes' response to ms. schneider [136 words]garyAug 19, 2005 14:24
A matter of will [121 words]Bill StahlbushAug 19, 2005 08:35
Can Islamists be charged with 'high treason'? [149 words]J.B.Aug 19, 2005 08:31
Jaladhi's comments [19 words]Bob EckerfieldAug 18, 2005 19:18
The Death Of Reason -- Just Feel The "Love?" [451 words]orange yonasonAug 18, 2005 15:23
Islamic Trojan Horses in Non-Muslim Countries [291 words]JaladhiAug 18, 2005 10:04
Response to Treason vs Free Speech- to Rachel Peck [323 words]Green DevilAug 18, 2005 02:45
Treason/Patriotism [86 words]Vivian E. WolfeAug 18, 2005 01:48
Re: Even the Moslems have a concept of treason [470 words]Reuben HorneAug 17, 2005 20:34
In response to Lex (on Lord Haw-Haw) [183 words]KierkegaardAug 17, 2005 20:09
The voice of the moderate Islam? [93 words]Paul ZAug 17, 2005 12:28
The End of Treason [255 words]DA. FreibergAug 17, 2005 11:41
The End of Treason [108 words]Stephen L. PassmanAug 17, 2005 11:07
Death of treason? [104 words]KenAug 17, 2005 11:06
By extension, there are no innocent civilians [186 words]garry priorAug 17, 2005 07:22
Why is the a concept of treason defunct? [32 words]Howard E. CookAug 17, 2005 04:31
⇒ It is Britain not the USA that has abandoned treason [839 words]MaggieAug 17, 2005 04:30
Treason [26 words]Patrick FoxJan 22, 2007 14:33
It should be redefined [350 words]Amitabh tripathiAug 17, 2005 04:22
The Test That Failed [412 words]David AroninAug 17, 2005 03:31
Is Treason Dead as a Concept? [39 words]FayAug 17, 2005 02:35
Please define "radical Islam"
[w/response] [159 words]
Ray SarlinAug 17, 2005 01:44
Response to Pat and Jane: A World Without Borders is Fantasy [276 words]DaisyAug 17, 2005 01:28
Treason No Longer in Vogue [175 words]Arlinda DeAngelisAug 17, 2005 00:49
Learn from India [74 words]VijaiAug 17, 2005 00:24
Loss of purpose? [43 words]Ellen SchneiderAug 16, 2005 23:57
Treason as a concept [35 words]lr63146Aug 16, 2005 22:45
Treason [72 words]Paul RinderleAug 16, 2005 22:30
Treason revitalized [45 words]Douglas BoggsAug 16, 2005 21:28
Then what do we rally around to defend who we are? [192 words]David W. LincolnAug 16, 2005 19:26
We have lost the sense of a nation [175 words]L StarkAug 16, 2005 19:25
treason
[w/response] [51 words]
ellen schneiderAug 16, 2005 19:01
Lord Haw Haw [52 words]Lex McAulayAug 16, 2005 19:01
pure bull [33 words]Mark SummersFeb 21, 2006 17:51
what is pure bull? [42 words]Lex McAulayJun 30, 2006 01:12
no reply by Mark Summers [63 words]Lex McAulayMay 26, 2007 20:31
End of treason [183 words]Charles OrenAug 16, 2005 18:29
Treason Hardly Dead, Only Moribund [223 words]Bill EiglesAug 16, 2005 18:28
Ignored traitors gain followers [173 words]JaneAug 16, 2005 18:23
re treason [113 words]Anthony DaytonAug 16, 2005 18:03
Treason in the 1940s & 1950s [39 words]Jinny Myler CollinsAug 16, 2005 17:15
If I may disagree [74 words]rightwingprofAug 16, 2005 16:47
Citizens of the World [153 words]PatAug 16, 2005 16:44
Re:Daniel"s safety. [32 words]B.BochkarevAug 16, 2005 16:03
treason doth prosper [196 words]dconnellAug 16, 2005 15:55
Treason and Free Speech Are Two Different Things [71 words]Rachel PeckAug 16, 2005 15:50
Redifining Loyalty: some questions. [403 words]DamonAug 16, 2005 15:40
Painful but true [34 words]David C. StolinskyAug 16, 2005 15:27
Perfectly Correct Daniel [255 words]JOHN GRAHAMAug 16, 2005 15:27
Treason and Sedition laws need to be re-enforced to win. [237 words]Ben ShniperAug 16, 2005 15:20
Taking a cue from our enemies, are we?? [323 words]Greg WrightJul 13, 2006 15:05
WASTE NO TIME [56 words]linuccciAug 16, 2005 15:17
Response to Pipes piece on Treason [101 words]Philip MannesAug 16, 2005 15:17
Disintegration [30 words]Darwin BarrettAug 16, 2005 14:24

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