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Israel's Betrayer is coming, but I don't think he will be Trump

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Submitted by Michael S (United States), May 17, 2018 at 03:16

Hi, Tovey. You said,

"for this observer, the 'Palestinian' solution is no longer a consummating possibility."

Outside of a religious and prophetic context, I can't make sense of the "Palestinian" problem. To me, it's simply a matter of two very different people, living side-by-side in a small country -- like the Mexicans, Koreans and Anglos in Los Angeles County, CA (which is almost as big as all Israel). We have many places like that in the US; but nobody, in or out of the US, seriously contemplates a "two state solution" for the ethnic tensions that arise. It's like a Mexican drug cartel trying to get legitimacy to rule part of LA, with Hollywood as its capital. So I agree with you -- the 'Palestinian' solution is no longer a consummating possibility." It never was.

From a religious and prophetic point of view, the Palestinian Muslims are simply pagan inhabitants of the land, whom God commands the Jews to drive out. Unlike the Arab plan to do the same thing to the Jews, the Jewish version of this is backed up by scriptures going back over 3000 years.

You went on, "Iran will never be able to dispossess Israel from the land either; cause irreparable damage, yes; never to 'wipe Israel off the map, though."

All things are possible. Stranger things have happened. The Mongols, only a few million strong today, once ruled China, Russia and Iran. Likewise, Sweden could very well become a Muslim country in a few years; and the US could become part of Mexico if the Democrats have their way. Iran COULD conquer Israel, and for that matter, rule the world. Like you, though, I doubt this. The Iranians have been trying to swarm over Israel through their HAMAS proxies in Gaza, like they've been swarming over Europe; but the Israelis seem to have move presence of mind than the Europeans: They are shooting the invaders, as well they should.

You continued, "Then enter Tovarich Tzar Putin, and all the promised anti-Semitic hordes to execute and be executed in the attempts to divorce Israel from her right to exist and become an afterthought of what not to do politically when deciding"

Putin is a paper tiger. You went on,

"But, all of this is expected before the acts of an anti-Christ coming to town to 'make a deal, since what is required at this point to fulfill the Daniel prophecies (and Nehemiah, Ezra, Haggai, Isaiah, Ezekiel, etc.) is there needs to be a temple. All begging the question, when will Islam allow for that? Anyone? Anyone?"

First of all, there is no individual called "Anti-Christ" in the Bible. The term "antichrists" referred to people in John's time (late First Century CE) who denied that Messiah had come in human form. Muslims deny this, saying that Jesus was not completely mortal; and Christians who say that Jesus is "wholly God and wholly man" essentially say the same thing. Add to this the Jews, who believe the NT is a fairy tale, and you have several billion "antichrists" alive today

[22] Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

[3] And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Daniel spoke of a "fourth beast", whose horns were kings. Revelation uses similar language to describe the seven-headed "beast that comes out of the sea". Morphologically, this beast resembles another, contemporary, beast, which is the Devil. Each of the seven heads of the first beast represent successive kingdoms, whom scholars have identified with the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians and Greeks among others. Adding Egypt, Rome and the Holy Roman Empire, we encompass all history from ancient Israel to the time of Napoleon. This was followed by the modern era of great powers, some ten in number, who collectively dominated the world from that time until the end of World War II.

According to Revelation, the seven heads are to be succeeded by "the beast himself, who is an eighth". Since "heads" are depicted as kings ruling over people, and this "eighth" does not have a head, I take this to mean that the "eighth" is the people themselves, taking government upon their own shoulders. This could represent the democratic "West", led by the US and dominating the world through organs such as NATO, the G-8 and the UNSC.

It is this "beast", and particularly his human embodiment in some leader, whom I think you are referring to as the "Antichrist". Technically, "antichrist" is a false prophet, not a king; so a better candidate for a singular "Antichrist" would be the one referred to as the "False Prophet" in Revelation.

I don't know who these people are, if indeed they are people. The "False Prophet" has many characteristics of artificial intelligence:

[11] And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
[12] And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
[13] And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
[14] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
[15] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
[16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
[17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
[18] Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

If the "False Prophet" is not an AI entity himself, he certainly seems to have access to Big Data -- something which seems likely to rule the world in just a few years. The "beast", on the other hand, seems to have suffered a fatal wound, yet recovered. This COULD refer to the OFFICE of Roman Emperor, or world-wide leader, which fell in Rome but was revived, variously, in Constantinople, Moscow and Berlin, among others; but if it refers to a PERSON, then we await someone who is somehow "wounded unto death, but recovers". Ronald Reagan came close; but I think we look for another.

Jared Kushner? 666 Fifth Avenue? Bill Gates? Elon Musk? Who knows? All I know, is that all the nations of the world will follow him; and the beast, the False Prophet, and the Devil himself will all attack Israel. That probably won't happen without a unanimously-accepted UNSC resolution, which means that the US will turn against Israel.

I don't think that betrayer of Israel will be Donald Trump.

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