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Our dear Amin Refaat is saying that the original Islam was peaceful and civilized! No I'm not kidding! Part 3

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), May 12, 2018 at 07:39

Our dear Amin wrote this little gem:

>2. Quran is filled with verses of the free religion rule.

Really? Where? However, the verse that baffled al-Mufasereen was Q2:256 where your so called Allah says: لااكراه في الدين or no compulsion in religion After all this means that the Meccan pagans should not be forced to become Muslims sword or no sword.right our dear Amin al-Tablighee?

And al-Mufasereen come to the rescue but they have zero clue what لااكراه في الدين really means so as usual they provide us readers with different stories and explanations for this disaster so let us turn to al-Tabari the earliest extant tafsir of the Qur'an and he provides several explanations (which means who was making things up) So let us read:

1. هذه الآية منسوخة، وإنما نـزلت قبل أن يفرض القتال

Oh this verse is ABROGATED! It was revealed before making fighting mandatory!

This means that 2:256 was abrogated by Q9:5 or Ayat al-Sayf

So much for the no compulsion in religion Islam style

What a disaster

2. al-Tabari also provides stories about Muslims whose children were adopted by Jews and about Allah wanting them not to be forced to become Muslims! Mash'allah

أن المرأة من الأنصار كانت تنذر إن عاش ولدها لتجعلنه في أهل الكتاب، فلما جاء الإسلام قالت الأنصار: يا رسول الله ألا نكره أولادنا الذين هم في يهود على الإسلام، فإنا إنما جعلناهم فيها ونحن نرى أن اليهودية أفضل الأديان؟ فلما إذ جاء الله بالإسلام، (75) .
أفلا نكرههم على الإسلام؟ فأنـزل الله تعالى ذكره: " لا إكراه في الدين قد تبين الرشد من الغي"

So this la Ikrah fi al-deen was not about blanket tolerance of Islam for other religions but about a specific case of the Ansar's children adopted by Jews! It does not apply to for example your Hindu ancestors who were brutalized by the Muslim invaders of India

3. And as usual there is another fable of children of a member of al-Ansar that converted to Christianity and Allah declaring his la Ikrah fi al-deen

كان له ابنان، فقدم تجار من الشام إلى المدينة يحملون الزيت. فلما باعوا وأرادوا أن يرجعوا أتاهم ابنا أبي الحصين، فدعوهما إلى النصرانية، فتنصرا فرجعا إلى الشام معهم. فأتى أبوهما إلى رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم، فقال (70) إن ابني تنصرا وخرجا، فأطلبهما؟ فقال: " لا إكراه في الدين "

You see our dear Amin al-mufasereen were making things up and this is called a case of تبرير or trying to justify the absurd

The real disaster here is if there was indeed no compulsion in religion then the Meccan pagans should not have be forced to convert to the religion of Muhammad that they detested Right our dear Amin?

>They say everyone is free to believe or disbelieve,

Then why did the God of Muhammad threaten the Meccan pagans that they will be killed by the sword unless they become Muslims? And why did Mahmud of Ghazni quote Ayat al-Sayf as his reason for murdering millions of your Hindu ancestors?

>There is no compulsion in religion and so on.

So much for the bogus Islamic "no compulsion in religion"

Oh the Arabic? You can ask your Mullah if he knows Arabic to translate it for you

Stay tuned for more


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Title Commenter Date Thread
England Safe Haven [102 words]Amin RefaatMay 7, 2018 16:36242894
3Our dear Amin is saying that the original Islam was peaceful and civilized! No I'm not kidding! [153 words]dhimmi no moreMay 9, 2018 07:00242894
Misinformed [300 words]Amin RefaatMay 10, 2018 13:52242894
Our dear Amin Refaat is saying that the original Islam was peaceful and civilized! No I'm not kidding! Part Two [472 words]dhimmi no moreMay 12, 2018 06:33242894
Our dear Amin Refaat is saying that the original Islam was peaceful and civilized! No I'm not kidding! Part 3 [539 words]dhimmi no moreMay 12, 2018 07:39242894
Our dear Amin is saying that the original Islam was peaceful and civilized! No I'm not kidding! Part 4 [400 words]dhimmi no moreMay 12, 2018 09:36242894
Our dear Amin is saying that the original Islam was peaceful and civilized! No I'm not kidding! Part 5 [392 words]dhimmi no moreMay 12, 2018 10:18242894
Our dear Amin is saying that the original Islam was peaceful and civilized! No I'm not kidding! Part 6 [335 words]dhimmi no moreMay 12, 2018 10:38242894
Our dear Amin: The satanic verses and other sordid matters! [245 words]dhimmi no moreMay 13, 2018 06:55242894
1Amin Refaat's suggestion is definitely impractical and probably incorrect [739 words]PrashantMay 13, 2018 17:48242894
Thank You [565 words]Amin RefaatMay 14, 2018 15:11242894
Our dear Amin is saying that the original Islam was peaceful and civilized! No I'm not kidding! Part 7 [149 words]dhimmi no moreMay 14, 2018 15:51242894
Why did your ancestors convert to Islam our dear Amin? [91 words]dhimmi no moreMay 14, 2018 16:02242894
1Our dear Amin and what is a true religion! [380 words]dhimmi no moreMay 15, 2018 06:11242894
Our dear Amin must agree with me that a true religion must have a perfect book! Right our dear Amin? Well let us read together and laugh [358 words]dhimmi no moreMay 15, 2018 12:35242894
Our dear Amin: Style and no Substance! [521 words]dhimmi no moreMay 15, 2018 15:34242894
Thank You [91 words]Amin RefaatMay 15, 2018 15:59242894
Our dear Amin: Style and no Substance! Part 2 [938 words]dhimmi no moreMay 16, 2018 06:52242894
Our dear Amin cannot speak read or write texts in Arabic! Right our dear Amin? [572 words]dhimmi no moreMay 16, 2018 16:26242894
Not the Place [82 words]Amin RefaatMay 16, 2018 17:12242894
Islam and Arabic [179 words]PrashantMay 17, 2018 00:25242894
Our dear Amin and the argument from but this is not the place! [138 words]dhimmi no moreMay 17, 2018 06:10242894
Our dear Amin wrote: " I am a Quranic Muslim" Part one [112 words]dhimmi no moreMay 17, 2018 06:55242894
Holly Book [88 words]Amin RefaatMay 17, 2018 14:31242894
أَحْسَنَ الْحَدِيثِ [34 words]Amin RefaatMay 17, 2018 14:36242894
Our dear Amin who cannot read speak or write Arabic is Qur'an only! Mash'allah [475 words]dhimmi no moreMay 17, 2018 16:48242894
Our dear Amin is repeating Maududi's nonsense without any critical examination of Maududi's bogus claims! [233 words]dhimmi no moreMay 18, 2018 05:56242894
Our dear Amin I'm waiting for my ticket to fly on al-Buraq! [112 words]dhimmi no moreMay 18, 2018 06:05242894
Who Are You? [25 words]Amin RefaatMay 18, 2018 15:25242894
Guiding the perplexed our dear Amin and لا تقربوا الصلاة and the Qur'an is raelly a hadith! So do you reject the Qur'an too? [330 words]dhimmi no moreMay 18, 2018 16:30242894
Our dear Amin does not get it that translations of the Qur'an are a waste of time because the Qur'an is an Arabic text for Arabs [357 words]dhimmi no moreMay 18, 2018 16:46242894
Our dear Amin is running away! [172 words]dhimmi no moreMay 19, 2018 06:37242894
Who are you امين رفعت? Oh امين رفعت? Amin Refaat [41 words]dhimmi no moreMay 19, 2018 06:49242894
Our dear Amin: Before you run away where can we find in the Qur'an that Medina was a "cosmopolitan" city in the time of Muhammad! [92 words]dhimmi no moreMay 19, 2018 07:46242894
Deconstructing tablighhees in general and our dear Amin in particular! [686 words]dhimmi no moreMay 19, 2018 12:04242894
Our dear Amin the Quran only: Congratulations but you just left Islam! [352 words]dhimmi no moreMay 20, 2018 10:41242894
Our dear Amin would you like more evidence from the Qur'an that it is no more than a Hadith? [143 words]dhimmi no moreMay 21, 2018 07:54242894
Our dear Amin the Qur'an only Muslim: Answer my questions before you run away! [211 words]dhimmi no moreMay 25, 2018 15:59242894
1Here is another example why many Muslims are now Qur'an only Muslims: The "Seek Knowledge Even in China" Hadith! [225 words]dhimmi no moreJun 4, 2018 08:24242894
A question, why the concern? [13 words]Carl LeyhMar 14, 2018 20:02242479
Missed the point [18 words]HistorianMar 23, 2018 00:46242479
Who Established Saudi Arabia? [65 words]Sohel BahjatFeb 21, 2018 12:09242339
2Our dear Sohel Bahjat told us once that Iran is really a democracy! No I'm not kidding! [306 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 22, 2018 08:00242339
1Iran is not a democracy [29 words]PrashantFeb 22, 2018 21:00242339
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