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Two wars to come, then peace

Reader comment on item: President Trump's "Ultimate Deal": Is Israeli-Palestinian Peace Possible?

Submitted by Michael S (United States), Jan 17, 2018 at 20:01

Hello, Daniel

For the sake of Dr. Abrams, I did a very brief lookup of polls of Palestinian Arab attitudes:

"Palestinian support for a two-state solution with Israel has dropped to below the 30 percent mark, according to a new poll commissioned by the US-based think tank the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, though most respondents said they were opposed to violent resistance."

-- https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-palestinians-backing-2-states-become-minority/

Other polls have different results. One poll amazingly says that 70% of Palestinians support a "two state solution". That poll was in 2007, by "The Electronic Intifada". In that same poll, "43% of Palestinians believed that a civil war was likely". With numbers like that, I wonder if the "two state solution" that 70% envisioned translated as "The West Bank" (one state) and "Gaza", or some similar fantasy.

I agree with what you said about the need for a decisive victory. Of the three examples of INdecisive ends to conflict, only the 1918 example ultimately came to a final conclusion -- after a second war. Concerning Israwl, we actually have four war scenarios:

1. The "tank war" between Israel, on the one hand, and Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon on the other. Iraq threw in the towel in 1948, but attacked Israel again in 1991. They were soundly defeated by the US in 2012, and have since descended into chaos. Syria and Lebanon are likewise failed states, all three propped up by the Russians, Iranians and Americans. Egypt and Jordan concluded peace agreements with Israel. Taken together, these things indicate that Israel will not have to fight a war against those five Arab states in the forseeable future.

2. The "Intifada" war with Palestinian terrorists. It is ongoing, until either Israel or Palestine surrenders.

3. A future war with Turkey, Iran, Sudan and Libya -- the "next states over". This is brewing, with preliminary troop movements in Iraq and Syria. I expect a full-fledged attack on Israel to come, probably within the next five years.

4. A future attack on Israel by all the nations of the world. This is currently happening in the diplomatic realm, with only the US and some minor allies standing with Israel. When US support in the Security Council ends, as it did in one vote under Obama, the UN can and will attack Israel, on whatever pretexr it pleases. This will likely turn into a nuclear war.

War #2 is a low-level conflict, with no prospect whatever of developing into a major one. I view all attempts to "solve" it, as purely symbolic. The main symbol involved, is the Temple Mount -- which will not be resolved until the ENTIRE SITE is surrendered to either the Muslims or the Jews, with appropriate structures erected.

Not a single "Arab" or "Israeli" actually LIVES on the Temple Mount, so this is not an "Arab-Israeli" issue. It is a "Jewish-Muslim" issue, which will never be resolved in an "Arab-Israeli" context. None of the panelists, it seems, wanted to go anywhere near this issue. This is not a matter of earthly sovereignty, but heavenly. The decision that needs to be made, is:

"Who has sovereignty over the Temple Mount". Three answers are possible:

1. Allah
2. Elohim
3. the UN

Until THAT issue is decisively determined, there will be war: The Allah vs. Elohim issue will be fought between Israel and the "next states over". Then the UN will fight with the winner. THEN there will be peace, not before.

Submitting....

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