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Victory in Concerts, & European Contexts

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Submitted by Robert (United States), Nov 9, 2017 at 12:36

Dear Daniel Pipes,

As always, in your writing you map out crucial historical phenomena.
But limits of space here probably prohibit sufficient breadth of content.
The omissions I wish to outline somewhat involve a Trinity of sorts,
regarding the historical names of Metternich, Bismark, and Kissinger.

Partly as a consequence of the events leading to the Industrial Revolution,
involving, inter alia, the conversion of Chinese Firecrackers into British Gunpowder
and huge Iron Cannons, Guns, and Rifles, Europe emerged as the source
of military dominance beginning with Columbus's voyages to America.
By 1648, at the end of the Protestant Reformation and the 30 Years War,
Multi-Christian Europe (Catholic, Lutheran and Calvinist) succeeded the Roman Papacy
in arbitrating resolutions of conflicts after military victories.
The prior divisions of Western Europe into mostly the Holy Roman Empire (of the German Nation)
and the Catholic Church of Rome, and Great Britain, France, and lesser diverse Principalities,
established the Forums, or Concerts, within which Soverign States vied with one another
to formalize the Settlements of the Victorious Powers by signing Contracts - Treaties
which resolved the differences determined by War.

As this is a mere outline, We move here immediately to Metternich's attempt
in 1815 in CONCERT to restore Europe to its Reactionary past
upon the defeat of Liberal Napoleon's Progressive Program.
However, although the Reaction lasted from 1815 to 1848,
beginning with the Emperor Napoleon imprisoned in his Island Empire
and ending in Metternich resignation as the reactionary arbiter in Concert.

In his place, it is Bismark who emerges in Prussia,
replacing Metternich's Austria-Hungary as the "German" power,
with the new Powers of Britain and Russia on the extremes (East and West)
in a balanced opposition by the forth Great Power of France.

These Concerts of Europe eventually get replaced after the Wold Wars
with the League of Nations and the United Nations
as a new Power Emerges, the United States of America.
But also, a second Power Emerges of of Russia,
the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

And then there is the post-Soviet Collapse polarity
of Islam, Christians, and Jews,
and Arabs, Israelis, and Iranians,
and their respective "other" battlefields
not within their own countries or territories.
And the Geographic terrain of this struggle
is primarily West Asia and North, East, and Central Africa.
Of course, I'm omitting a great part of the rest of the World,
and its "Multi-Cultural" consequences,
particularly Hindu India, and Confucius & Communist China.

I have sketched all this out in order to show that Victory
does not occur in the context of the Waring Countries alone;
rather, it occurs in a Diplomatic environment
whereby Victorious, or Stalemate, Wars
are resolved "in Concert" through International Treaties.
Internationalism, however, isn't new.
It began in 1648, when Europe was not merely Roman Catholic
and the Eastern Roman Empire, Byzantium and Constantinople
no longer existed because they were replaced by Ottoman Turkey and Orthodox Russia.

In this context, Israel's defeat of the "Stateless" Palestinians,
is enormously dependent on the United Nations, the European Union,
Egypt, Jordan, Iran, and Saudi Arabia, India, and China,
to name the most critical countries.
And there it appears, Netanyahu has taken the right steps;
he has withstood the impositions of African-American Harvard-Educated Obama
through his Massachusetts Brahman Yale's Skull & Bones John Kerry;
now, under Scottish-German-American Real Estate Trump,
and its Fundamentalist Christian Base, and Orthodox and Republican Jews
(as opposed to Reform, Leftist, Conservative [religiously] Jews.

In 1927-1928 Karl Mannheim scholarly study of Generations in History was published;
Demographics in space (land) must also be considered in historical time (generations).
The Palestinian Arabs who learned Arafat's "Revolutionary" notion of Victory
after a 10-year truce (according to Muhammad)
may be replaced by the new generation of Arabs in Saudi Arabia
in which Women will drive Cars,
and Diplomatic recognition is perhaps achieved with Israel (a Peace Treaty);
the mistake here I'm alluding to
involves the notion that Palestinians must recognize Israel.
It appears that the goal should be for the "other" Arab countries should do so,
ans perhaps Sunni Saudi-Arabia, upon its ongoing Reform,
will be the turning point to Victory;
and it is here where Trump may be focusing his skills
of "The Art of the Deal."


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Victory in Concerts, & European Contexts [702 words]RobertNov 9, 2017 12:36241266
Rebuttal [39 words]anosmianAcrimonyNov 17, 2012 04:52200724
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Half fought wars end being lost wars [95 words]cornsyrupAug 11, 2009 00:18160029
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Spot on, once again Mr. Pipes. [137 words]Noel BeardAug 6, 2009 07:47159737
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