4 readers online now  |  69 million page views

Thinking Out of the Box - Devolution, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Etc.

Reader comment on item: Iran vs. Turkey, the MidEast's Perpetual Rivalry

Submitted by Robert (United States), Sep 27, 2017 at 12:57

One of the Problems of Europe and the Middle East
is that Immigration flows only in one Direction,
from the Middle East especially into Europe.
The other direction conveys the Stigma of Colonialism or Imperialism, unfortunately.
ISIS isn't being defeated in one sense because its "Martyrs" have caused
Millions of Muslims to Dilute the European Enlightened Christians
with the Backward Islamist who have still not learned how to modernize the Religion.
And in the United States, the Left of Center coalition is equating anti-Islamism with Racism.
How wonderful it would be if the Cosmopolitan Alexandria City of Egypt
was restored to its days before the First World War ?
But this could only be accomplish if Europeans, Christians and Jews, returned to it.

I have more hope for Progressive Change in Saudi Arabia and Egypt
than I do in Iran or Turkey. The only good thing now I can think of
relating to Turkey is that Dictators like Erdogan aren't immortal.
Perhaps his Islamism isn't replaceable by another Tyrant?
Iran is more difficult to assess I think, because its Totalitarianism
will continue under a different Ayatollah.

Perhaps the break will com when the rest of the Arab countries
of Saudi Arabia and Gulf Coast make formal Peace with Israel.
Maybe it is partially the task of Israel to spread Modernity to the Middle East.
One way is to pressure Palestinians, who are probably among to most Westernized Arabs
to settle among their Sunni brethren. Ethnic Cleansing means forced expulsion;
but "Ethnic Mixing" is to encourage Diversity so that Diverse Religious Communities
can learn to live with one another. The way the USA achieved Religious Freedom
was by compromising - each extreme Puritanical Christian Community
was given the liberty to have their own Church.
That is certainly not the case in most Islam-majority countries.
Religious pluralism came to Italy in part when the Papal dependencies were broken up.
Similarly, the Protestant Revolution result in establishing that the Soverign Ruler
was free to choose allegiance to Rome, or to its own Protestant denomination,
Lutheran, Calvinist, Anglican, etc.

A distantly breakup phenomena is known as "Devolution."
In the case of the Middle East there is these days
the unjustified competing diplomatic doctrine of "Stability."
If the Kurds, by their Struggle for Sovereignty,
cause the violation of the sanctity of National Borders of their neighbors
which house about 20,000,000 Kurds, so much the better.
Iraq, Syria, Turkey, & Iran get Destabilized - so what?
All are drastically failed states: Iran is the only (except for the small Vatican City-State) Theocracy,
meaning that its Ayatollah who speaks "in the name of God";
Turkey is under the Marshall Law of "Sultan/Caliph" Erdogan;
Syria is under the Baathist-Stalinist regime of Assad,
beholden to Iran and Turkey, two non-Jeffersonian Democracies themselves to say the least;
and Iraq is similarly a dependency of Iran.

So, the hope of the Middle East are the Kurdish People,
with their ultimately just dream of a Soverign Greater Kurdistan,
whose Muslim Women are also Warriors.
And here we have a People who are Muslim
who love the Jews of Israel.
But where is Henry Kissinger on all this.
His Metternich was an Austrian Reactionary.
Prussian Bismark was a Dictatorial Progressive who united and created Modern Germany,
even though the Reactionary Hitler brought Germany's downfall in WWII.
Participating in History is a dirty business of humanity
in which ideal choices rarely exist.
But stupidity, and failure to think out of the box,
is an accident of History
when no Washington, Napoleon, Ataturk, or Ocalan,
is available around the corner.
"Criminal" Mandela of South Africa was pardoned and exonerated.
So was "Terrorist" Arafat as leader of the Palestinians.
Why is Kurdish Ocalan still criminalized by the powers that be,
and kept in a prison island by Turkey,
and not permitted to meet with his family,
under the Marshall Law of Fascist, State-Terrorist, Erdogan?
We do not hear very much these days of the suffering of the Kurds in Turkey.
One thing Hitler did very well is hid the atrocities of his Regime through the Gestapo and SS.
I certainly don't intend to insult Erdogan by comparing him to Hitler.
But the fate of the Armenians of the Ottoman past
can legitimately be compared to Erdogan's treatment of the Kurds
now being imprisoned under Marshall Law against Terrorism and the Coup.
Erdogan may not have burned the Turkish Reichstag,
but he certainly knew how to take advantage of its Burning (the Coup).

I think that when President Trump says America First, he means it.
Americans need to show him that anti-Ataturk Turkey of today under Erdogan
is no friend of the United States. Unfortunately, he depends too much on his three Generals,
and the Department of Defense which is ill-prepared to think Strategically,
and is to focused on winning the Tactical battle against ISIS/ISIL.
Secretary of State Rex is no Diplomat, and how versed in History he is I do not know.
Maybe it is Henry Kissinger who can persuade The Donald
on the right course of the Ship of State (of the USA) ?


Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. For complete regulations, see the "Guidelines for Reader Comments".

Submitting....

Submit a comment on this item

Reader comments (8) on this item

Title Commenter Date Thread
regimes in Iran and Turkey [53 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Debanjan BanerjeeOct 7, 2017 12:08241015
Possible war imminent in Kurdistan -- ultimately agaist Israel [53 words]Michael SSep 28, 2017 18:36240945
1Thinking Out of the Box - Devolution, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Etc. [849 words]RobertSep 27, 2017 12:57240926
I expect the two countries to ally with one another soon, with Turkey in the lead, for an attack against Israel. [114 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Michael SAug 25, 2017 03:34240591
September 25 might mark a significant turning point in Turko-Iranian relations [495 words]Michael SSep 17, 2017 04:25240591
Great Minds Apparently Think Alike [112 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Michael RosenbergAug 23, 2017 22:31240582
Don't cry for either of them - they both hate us! [68 words]DeanAug 23, 2017 14:18240580
Iran Vs. Turkey [143 words]Lorn FergusonAug 23, 2017 11:22240578

Comment on this item

Mark my comment as a response to Thinking Out of the Box - Devolution, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Etc. by Robert

Email me if someone replies to my comment

Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. For complete regulations, see the "Guidelines for Reader Comments".

See recent outstanding comments.

Follow Daniel Pipes

Facebook   Twitter   RSS   Join Mailing List

ADVERTISEMENTS

eXTReMe Tracker

All materials by Daniel Pipes on this site: © 1968-2017 Daniel Pipes. daniel.pipes@gmail.com and @DanielPipes

Support Daniel Pipes' work with a tax-deductible donation to the Middle East Forum. Daniel J. Pipes