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Unfortunately, islam CANNOT be reformed!

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Submitted by UNCLE VLADDI, May 23, 2017 at 18:31

Islam cannot be reformed:

Muslims aren't allowed to pick and choose what they 'believe' is in the Qur'an; what's in the Qur'an is what's in the Qur'an!

It's says it's the unchanging Word of God, not some recipe for limited behaviours only applying to some 7th Century wars.

On the surface, there are many similarities between Christianity and Islam. Both believe in a God, both rely on an intermediary between man and God, both faiths are eschatological and have a hell, a heaven and an afterlife, etc. However, in their core they are very different, in fact opposite to one another. Islam is not a continuation of Christianity, as Muhammad and Muhammadans claim, but it is an anti Christian belief in its essence. These faiths are different. One advocates freedom of man and the other his slavery. One brings the message of liberation the other, of submission.

The discourse of freedom, so essential to Christianity is contrary what Islam stands for. When you see Muslims carry placards that read "democracy is hypocrisy," and "freedom go to hell," during their loud demonstrations, they are expressing the true essence of Islam, which is anti freedom, anti democracy, pro slavery and pro subjugation.

True Muslims should not be free to choose, but they should emulate Muhammad. The Quran 33:36 says:

"And it behoves not a believing man and a believing woman that they should have any choice in their matter when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter; and whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he surely strays off a manifest straying."

It is not up to Muslims to decide what is good for them. This decision is already made for them and all they have to do is to obey, even when they don't like it.

Fighting is ordained for you, even though it be hateful to you; but it may well be that you hate a thing the while it is good for you, and it may well be that you love a thing the while it is bad for you: and God knows, whereas you do not know. (Q. 2:216)

And let's not forget Sura 4:77: "Those who whined "Hold back your hands (from attacking)" were corrected:
"War is compulsory for us – the good and bad both come from allah!"

Islam can be distilled in its name: Submission. Allah knows best. Therefore man must accept His command, given to humanity by his last emissary Muhammad.

Democracy means the government of people by the people. In Democracy men make the law. You cannot have that in Islam. In Islam the law comes from God. Man must obey even if those laws appear contrary to reason and are oppressive.

This is the reason why Muslims cannot oppose stoning adulterers or killing the apostates.

Can believers have an opinion contrary to what the Quran says? We already saw that the Quran 33:36, prohibits the believers to have any choice in their matter when Allah and His Messenger have made their wishes known. How can they decide what is good for the religion?

When the Quran says Fighting is ordained for you, even if you don't like it, the message is clear. This is God speaking. That is what you have accepted a priori. So how can you dispute with God? Once you accept the Quran as the word of God you cannot pick and choose and discard what you don't like. This is strictly prohibited.

Do you, then, believe in some parts of the divine writ and deny the truth of other parts? What, then, could be the reward of those among you who do such things but ignominy in the life of this world and, on the Day of Resurrection, they will be consigned to most grievous suffering? For God is not unmindful of what you do. (Q.2:85)

6:114 "Am I, then, to look unto anyone but God for judgment [as to what is right and wrong], when it is He who has bestowed upon you from on high this divine writ, clearly spelling out the truth?"

6:116 Wert thou to follow the common run of those on earth, they will lead thee away from the way of Allah. They follow nothing but conjecture: they do nothing but guess.

2:174 Verily, as for those who suppress aught of the revelation which God has bestowed from on high, and barter it away for a trifling gain - they but fill their bellies with fire. And God will not speak unto them on the Day of Resurrection, nor will He cleanse them [of their sins]; and grievous suffering awaits them.

See also 16:89 39:23,

(Q.15:90-92) Such as We send down for those who make division, Those who break the Quran into parts. Therefore, by the Lord, We will, of a surety, call them to account,

(6:34) there is none that can alter the words of Allah.

(Q.10:64) There is no changing the Words of Allah that is the Supreme Triumph.

18:27 And recite that which hath been revealed unto you of the scripture of your Lord. There is none who can change His words, and you will find no refuge beside Him.

How can one claim to believe in the Quran and disregard all these warnings?

The so called reformers of Islam are misguided at best and deceptive at worst. Their efforts should not be welcomed. Whatever their intention, whether genuine or malicious, they are hoodwinking people and as the result giving legitimacy ...

Only truth can set us free. By sugarcoating Islam you cannot change its nature. You can purify any water. You can even convert your urine into drinking water. But can you purify gasoline enough to make it drinkable? ... This whole notion is misguided and absurd.


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