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A very peculiar perspective on Ramadan
Reader comment on item: Why Revoke Tariq Ramadan's U.S. Visa?

Submitted by Sean McIntyre (United States), Jul 22, 2005 at 17:10

I had the pleasure of seeing Tariq Ramadan in action recently in a public debate in Berlin and I would characterize him as a bold proponent of a liberal, open-minded and progressive Islam.

Given Ramadan's many outspoken writings against fundamentalism and Islamo-fascism and his passionate pleas for a modern, liberal Islam.
I urge you to do your own google and library searches on Mr. Ramadan and read what he has written. I was very, very impressed by his firm defense of liberal, open societies and the need to confront the extremist ideology of Islamism in this public debate in Berlin. Moreover, as can be expected of a debate in a theater milieu in Germany, the audience was quite hostile toward him. The majority of the audience vigorously rejected his claim that Islamic extremism is NOT the result of European society failing to live up to its' own liberal-democratic ideals. He argued firmly against this 'social' explanation for extremism and fanaticism and reminded the audience that Islamism is a POLITICAL ideology that often finds a warm reception among relatively privileged, assimilated Arabs of the middle class and up (like members of his own family nearly a century ago). Moreover, he argued that the social explanation also fails to see that Islamist extremists are not at all interested in Europeans living up to their own liberal-democratic norms and ideals, but is instead a fully rationalized and emphatic REJECTION of those very ideals. This is something the audience refused to believe, of course. Many persisted with the usual (and understandable) habit of self-critique: 'it is our fault because these young men experience racism and lack of opportunities... because our societies are alienated...etc. etc.'

In short, my experience of Tariq Ramadan was of a heroic defender of liberal-democracy and a much-needed analyst and debater against naive, Left-oriented understandings of and excuses for political Islam. If anything his pedigree should not count AGAINST him, as Mr. Pipes presents it, but should count to his credit: he KNOWS quite intimately how seriously we must take this ideology; he knows with what ideas we are dealing with and how best to argue against this ideology of hate and death.

For my part I would love to see Professor Ramadan teaching in the U.S. and contributing to our public discourse on terrorism and the dangers of political Islam. I think he has many valuable insights to contribute to this fight and will be an eloquent and significant contributor to our public dialogue. He could be, for N. America, what he already is for this dialogue in Europe: a rare and eloquent Islamic defender of the principles, norms and ideals of liberal democracy against the ideology of political Islam (an ideology that finds its origins in part in Ramadan's own family, as Pipes noted). Mr. Ramadan is doing exactly what the columnist Thomas Friedman called for in his NY Times opinion piece today (7/22/05): telling the truth about Islamo-fascism.

Sean McIntyre

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This is a Misleading Post about Tariq Ramadan [174 words]D.O.Mar 19, 2009 14:37
we must expose those who hate [241 words]Phil GreendJul 10, 2007 11:50
Mr. Pipes, a little clarification on a few of your points? [989 words]Saqib HussainJun 24, 2007 23:42
Ramadan's defense against his visa revocation is nothing short of pathetic [433 words]Roosevelt's DiscipleJun 23, 2007 03:19
Reply to: Ramadan's defense against his visa revocation is nothing short of pathetic [148 words]Saqib HussainJun 25, 2007 02:09
A rose by any other name [52 words]Michael ZacharkoAug 25, 2006 22:46
Ramadan should be kept out of the US...for now [420 words]jason smithMar 29, 2006 15:53
ACLU, TOO [49 words]DEANE LEDSWORTHJan 25, 2006 13:29
it is amazing [200 words]kemalFeb 1, 2006 08:30
not that it matters a lot but... [63 words]matei calinJan 22, 2006 08:45
Tariq is a human with a message [130 words]joanaJul 24, 2007 16:42
An Asault on American's right to HEAR
[w/response] [314 words]
Cole PensingerOct 22, 2007 23:23
It is easy to accuse but... [183 words]S. MirmoojiDec 2, 2005 20:35
Evil Ramadan [61 words]Man de HuNov 13, 2005 14:22
I respond in disappointment to Faqi Hussein [620 words]Ramy RamadanAug 31, 2005 11:39
Prof Ramadan " Oxford's new visiting Professor" [815 words]Faqi HusssainAug 30, 2005 21:57
⇒ A very peculiar perspective on Ramadan [490 words]Sean McIntyreJul 22, 2005 17:10
Give me a better reason to keep him out [75 words]Carl LarsonSep 29, 2006 22:43
Ramadan has exactly the same goal as the terrorists, which is to spread islam [100 words]Roosevelt's DiscipleJun 23, 2007 03:28
Tariq Ramadan ... [221 words]Tim HolmesJul 16, 2005 20:31
Gullible Americans [86 words]RichardApr 26, 2005 23:24
Ramadan not a moderate [164 words]JeffApr 26, 2005 16:00
Ramadan, Pipes and Manji [69 words]AliMar 19, 2005 20:29
Show me some proof ... if there is any [248 words]Sylvia WilsonMar 12, 2005 18:25
Tariq Ramadan [35 words]Mary Jane StickleyFeb 1, 2005 11:22
What a Stupid Decision [330 words]Salim ChishtiJan 25, 2005 06:20
Does not make sense [71 words]Maria EvangalistaDec 29, 2004 23:08
And so history repeats itself [212 words]JamzDec 21, 2004 23:34
The absence of proofs [117 words]Darraz ElKhadieDec 16, 2004 11:31
Notre Dame University? [22 words]BobDec 14, 2004 21:14
Laugh or cry... [324 words]Ahmed El ZeinDec 5, 2004 04:49
Bonus: tossing away freedom of expression and association gives "them" less reason to hate us
[w/response] [90 words]
Konrad AdererOct 6, 2004 13:00
It's clear and obvious what Ramadan is guilty of [48 words]Roosevelt's DiscipleJun 23, 2007 03:33
AP Wrote Biased Article... [55 words]A.Oct 1, 2004 17:47
Response from Ramadan himself [50 words]ThermanSep 24, 2004 14:07
Good for America [39 words]K SalehSep 17, 2004 13:23
Any free thinkers in da house? [201 words]Mohammad SyedSep 17, 2004 12:46
Is this evidence? /DHS has bad strategy if in good faith [151 words]Special gSep 13, 2004 11:58
Thank you! [70 words]Katheryn ScottSep 9, 2004 12:45
McCarthyism Lives [51 words]Brian McBrideSep 8, 2004 18:39
Every person is judged and two persons never got the same chance [70 words]Magnus AnderssonNov 6, 2007 21:32
Too quick to judge, too scared to be objective? [173 words]WarrenSep 8, 2004 10:54
Hasn't Colin Powell Had Sufficient Time? [30 words]John RiemanSep 2, 2004 21:16
Now he's back [60 words]Brian MelkunAug 31, 2004 19:22
Rogue State Department? [40 words]Freeper7Aug 31, 2004 18:33
Keep on identifying the enemies within our midst [43 words]James Hellwig, US Dept Commerce (Retired)Aug 30, 2004 14:46
Highly Informative [87 words]AvrahamAug 29, 2004 23:15
What's goin' on at the State Dep't? [189 words]John W McGinleyAug 29, 2004 22:08
Ramadan critique [59 words]T. A. Green (Ted)Aug 29, 2004 17:09
State Dep't vs DHS [51 words]Marjorie LindeeAug 29, 2004 03:20
Ban Ramadan but allow the Saudis free reign? [183 words]Nelson HortonAug 29, 2004 01:16
Cogent [35 words]Howard R. WolfAug 28, 2004 14:40
Good Job! [84 words]Maureen CoteAug 28, 2004 11:15
Repulsive
[w/response] [274 words]
Richard SilversteinAug 28, 2004 01:25
Trust no Muslim Brotherhood [522 words]Nonie DarwishAug 28, 2004 00:39
What can I do? [87 words]Laurie KursAug 27, 2004 21:00
Superb work [7 words]Alon ReiningerAug 27, 2004 19:29
I agree [12 words]George HAug 27, 2004 15:48
A fine line... [53 words]Lloyd Lionel KleinAug 27, 2004 14:06
What's wrong with the State Dep't? [112 words]Muriel EfronAug 27, 2004 13:38
Islamist Deception [61 words]A readerAug 27, 2004 13:29
ISLAMISM, Mohammad, Quran, Muslims, Dhimmitude, Wahhabism, Jihad [3 words]Chard JeromeAug 27, 2004 11:23
State Dep't must change its ways [199 words]Bernadette KimAug 27, 2004 11:14
Where's the beef? [186 words]Egypt SteveAug 27, 2004 10:55
Other possibilities [36 words]David RomeroAug 27, 2004 10:30
Thanks! [13 words]William KinneyAug 27, 2004 10:24
Enlightening [84 words]LowellAug 27, 2004 09:22
Please continue your efforts [53 words]Martha McGillAug 27, 2004 09:04
Not So Fast ... Tariq [204 words]Arlinda DeAngelisAug 27, 2004 08:41
Wonderful News [27 words]R. Gene PayneAug 27, 2004 08:30
Let's stop shooting ourselves in the foot [180 words]S.F.Gohara, M.D.Aug 27, 2004 08:09
Why not exclude all Germans
[w/response] [70 words]
D HenstridgeAug 11, 2006 18:56
Why did the State Dep't encourage Ramadan to reapply? [19 words]Z TelpnerAug 27, 2004 07:22
There is some justice! [55 words]Harace (Rosinbaum) HammondAug 27, 2004 06:40
Thank you again. Keep 'em coming! [139 words]Menahem DunskyAug 27, 2004 05:47
Who's in charge at State? [73 words]Martin EkremAug 27, 2004 05:02
The works of Tariq Ramadan
[w/response] [129 words]
Shammai FishmanAug 27, 2004 04:08
Thanks [71 words]Tarek AbdelhamidAug 27, 2004 03:22
A good decision but... [119 words]Rachelle AssoulineAug 27, 2004 02:49

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