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ISIS, Al-Nusra and Western Civilization

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Submitted by Michael S (United States), May 2, 2016 at 14:06

Hi, Charles

I'm not sure about the broad philosophical aspects of all this; but I believe you're right about Islamist extremism continuing even after the (unlikely, in my opinion) soon demise of ISIS. To whit,

"Matthew Henman, head of IHS Jane's Terrorism and Insurgency Centre, said... that the Nusra Front has transformed itself into one of the world's most dangerous terrorist organizations. The British researchers predicted that it will eventually replace ISIS as the most dangerous Islamic terrorist organization in the world."

-- http://debka.com/newsupdatepopup/16150/IHS-Jane-s-2-150-people-killed-by-ISIS-in-first-three-months-of-2016

Al-Nusra is listed as a terrorist group by Iran, Turkey, the UAE and Saudi Arabia (former regime); but the new Saudi regime probably covertly supports them -- as does Qatar more openly. There is also a free flow of men, money and materiel between Al-Nusra and other so-called "moderate" militias that are supported by the US and others. Only Russia, Syria, Iran and Hizbullah have given them serious opposition.

cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Nusra_Front

You went on to say,

"...we seem to have forgotten what makes Western, pluralistic, secular, democratic society superior to all other forms of governance."

I see that you have used three words to describe Western society, perhaps making it seem as though we are a sturdy, three-legged milking stool. In reality, we weren't derived from any "pluralistic", "secular" or "democratic" founding event or culture. Our mother culture was sixteenth-century Tudor England, a bubbling cauldron of egotistic, bloody monarchies and religious extremists; and from kindred cauldrons in Thirty-Years-War Germany and the "Divine Right" French monarch. Our "secularism" consists of dogmatic atheists trying to surreptitiously oust Christianity and Judaism, "Muslim Brotherhood"-style, to impose a dictatorship of their own. "Democracy" has been bought and sold lately; with fewer and fewer people feeling their voice is actually being heard. As for "pluralism", I suppose that means opening the floodgates to Mexican drug lords, Islamic "refugees" and the like. We haven't derived our culture from some sort of "pluralistic" root, some "United Pluralistic Mother Country". Instead, we derived from a tryrannical system that we didn't like very much, and opened the doors to others. Ultimately, "pluralism" means being overwhelmed by the world around us, and disappearing as a distinct people.

Ultimately, Western Civilization derives from two roots: (1) the secular (actually polytheistic) Roman Empire, and (2) Torah. The history of Western Civilization is a dynamic tension between the two. In the end, we can choose the Pagan route, and suffer the same fate as the old Roman Empire suffered, or we can choose to follow Torah -- either as Jews or as Christians or as something else. While we halt between these two opinions (as in the days of Ahab and Elijah), the Muslims are waiting in the wings to devour our flesh and leave us with the bleached bones of Torah -- which is to say, with Islam. I don't guarantee them any sort of success in this; this is just the way I see things at the moment.


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Title Commenter Date Thread
Is ISIS collapsing? [248 words]PrashantJul 26, 2016 20:11230940
1I hope you're right, but... [47 words]Peter HerzMay 2, 2016 16:26229238
Iraq unable to counter ISIS, even with US help [111 words]Michael SMay 4, 2016 02:48229238
A year from now, ISIS should be alive and well in Iraq -- not to mention other countries as well [112 words]Michael SApr 30, 2016 18:49229190
Kurds are also Sunni [47 words]Peter HerzMay 7, 2016 15:40229190
Turkey will be smoldering ashes. [267 words]Michael SMay 9, 2016 03:37229190
2ISIS may die, but ... Islam marches onward [324 words]Charles MartelApr 29, 2016 01:38229180
ISIS, Al-Nusra and Western Civilization [490 words]Michael SMay 2, 2016 14:06229180
1ISIS and Islam [44 words]Jon, a Brit in EurolandApr 28, 2016 13:09229179
In the US, Islam is NOT Islam! [45 words]Michael SMay 2, 2016 14:57229179
ISIS: Not Destroyed, Just Moved. [61 words]Peter BarfootApr 24, 2016 20:07229145
2ISIS follows Islam that Mohammad himself followed! [38 words]JaladhiApr 24, 2016 19:57229144
Isis a boon to Iran [38 words]walterApr 24, 2016 11:03229134
Why ISIS Will Stick Around [147 words]DaveApr 22, 2016 11:17229106
2Good news, Bad news [388 words]Ron ThompsonApr 21, 2016 18:25229097
ISIS is Collapsing [123 words]David FaulknerApr 21, 2016 15:47229094
Obama Right ?????? [29 words]ajnnApr 20, 2016 21:51229079
ISIS demise [116 words]Richard WittrupApr 20, 2016 18:42229077
I Pray it is True [16 words]John HoukApr 20, 2016 09:38229074
I hope it stays dead longer than the others [126 words]Michael SApr 20, 2016 01:22229068
Hope you are right [60 words]AnonApr 19, 2016 19:00229063
1Is it a surprise? The political systems of the entire Islamic world is collapsing. [278 words]PrashantApr 19, 2016 17:43229061
Islamic civil war [415 words]Michael SMay 4, 2016 13:22229061
ISIS is Collapsing [106 words]Judith DaviesApr 19, 2016 16:00229058
3To defeat ISIS -we have to take on ,and defeat the Ideology [16 words]Michael Hanni MorcosApr 19, 2016 12:51229050
1And how do you do that? [32 words]JaladhiApr 21, 2016 10:38229050
Yes, but.... [156 words]Doug MayfieldApr 19, 2016 12:07229048
I don't see ISIS collapsing fast [7 words]albertoApr 19, 2016 10:40229047
Always nice to get a bit of good news [152 words]CarolApr 19, 2016 08:08229045
IslamoFarcism - Another Round of Pin the Tail on the Nazi [265 words]SAKOVKTApr 19, 2016 06:36229042
ISIS gathers the terrorists in a known area [53 words]Hlawiczka CzeslawApr 19, 2016 04:07229035
Let Iran Deal with ISIS in Iraq and Syria [52 words]RobertApr 19, 2016 02:56229033
2It is Islam [27 words]Robin RosenblattApr 19, 2016 01:54229030

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