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Submitted by Ron Thompson (United States), Apr 21, 2016 at 18:25

Of course it is GOOD NEWS that ISIS may be on the verge of collapse, a likelihood which seems more to be expected and hoped for with Dr Pipes article.
But I have the perverse feeling that such a result would be in another sense depressing ... if we continue to have the other depressing reality that it remains a planetary taboo against discussing and debating whether Islam itself is worthy of respect.
For if ISIS collapses this may easily be as a disease that goes into remission, but remains latent and will inevitably burst out anew, just as ISIS succeeded the decline of al Queda.

Since Pipes clearly recognizes this in his later paragraphs about Islam running amok in Nigeria, Somalia, and several other failed or tottering States, from Libya to the southern province of the Phillipines, then why not use this continuing fanaticism as the reason to at long last engage in a worldwide debate about the inherent nature of Islam. And let us ask whether its peoples will ever know a lasting chance of peace and prosperity as long as Islam remains the dominant belief system among Muslims.

Since every State that overthrew a dictator in power in 2011 has seen both a sharp decline in the condition and security of its people and increased danger to regional peace as jihadists have both flocked to hotspots of fanaticism and been exported to bring mayhem to other regions, especially to Europe.
Does anybody doubt that if we'd had a debate about the real nature of Islam 60 or 70 years ago,

taking seriously the meaning of the refusal of heartland Islam to accept the establishment of tiny israel in its tiny historic homeland, that we might have spared ourselves the existential threat looming in Europe today.

So I fear that there may be serious BAD NEWS alongside and within the Good News about the
decline of what is the most virulent expression of Islam-in-practice today. Because ISIS is not different in kind from Islam in majority-Muslim countries everywhere, and indeed in immigrant Muslim communities everywhere that have a strong Islamic consciousness.

So how many more ISIS-like eruptions will it take before we confront the basic question of whether Islam can ever be Islam without being intolerant, Anti-Semitic, violent, misogynist, and supremacist in its thought and actions?


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Title Commenter Date Thread
Is ISIS collapsing? [248 words]PrashantJul 26, 2016 20:11230940
1I hope you're right, but... [47 words]Peter HerzMay 2, 2016 16:26229238
Iraq unable to counter ISIS, even with US help [111 words]Michael SMay 4, 2016 02:48229238
A year from now, ISIS should be alive and well in Iraq -- not to mention other countries as well [112 words]Michael SApr 30, 2016 18:49229190
Kurds are also Sunni [47 words]Peter HerzMay 7, 2016 15:40229190
Turkey will be smoldering ashes. [267 words]Michael SMay 9, 2016 03:37229190
2ISIS may die, but ... Islam marches onward [324 words]Charles MartelApr 29, 2016 01:38229180
ISIS, Al-Nusra and Western Civilization [490 words]Michael SMay 2, 2016 14:06229180
1ISIS and Islam [44 words]Jon, a Brit in EurolandApr 28, 2016 13:09229179
In the US, Islam is NOT Islam! [45 words]Michael SMay 2, 2016 14:57229179
ISIS: Not Destroyed, Just Moved. [61 words]Peter BarfootApr 24, 2016 20:07229145
2ISIS follows Islam that Mohammad himself followed! [38 words]JaladhiApr 24, 2016 19:57229144
Isis a boon to Iran [38 words]walterApr 24, 2016 11:03229134
Why ISIS Will Stick Around [147 words]DaveApr 22, 2016 11:17229106
2Good news, Bad news [388 words]Ron ThompsonApr 21, 2016 18:25229097
ISIS is Collapsing [123 words]David FaulknerApr 21, 2016 15:47229094
Obama Right ?????? [29 words]ajnnApr 20, 2016 21:51229079
ISIS demise [116 words]Richard WittrupApr 20, 2016 18:42229077
I Pray it is True [16 words]John HoukApr 20, 2016 09:38229074
I hope it stays dead longer than the others [126 words]Michael SApr 20, 2016 01:22229068
Hope you are right [60 words]AnonApr 19, 2016 19:00229063
1Is it a surprise? The political systems of the entire Islamic world is collapsing. [278 words]PrashantApr 19, 2016 17:43229061
Islamic civil war [415 words]Michael SMay 4, 2016 13:22229061
ISIS is Collapsing [106 words]Judith DaviesApr 19, 2016 16:00229058
3To defeat ISIS -we have to take on ,and defeat the Ideology [16 words]Michael Hanni MorcosApr 19, 2016 12:51229050
1And how do you do that? [32 words]JaladhiApr 21, 2016 10:38229050
Yes, but.... [156 words]Doug MayfieldApr 19, 2016 12:07229048
I don't see ISIS collapsing fast [7 words]albertoApr 19, 2016 10:40229047
Always nice to get a bit of good news [152 words]CarolApr 19, 2016 08:08229045
IslamoFarcism - Another Round of Pin the Tail on the Nazi [265 words]SAKOVKTApr 19, 2016 06:36229042
ISIS gathers the terrorists in a known area [53 words]Hlawiczka CzeslawApr 19, 2016 04:07229035
Let Iran Deal with ISIS in Iraq and Syria [52 words]RobertApr 19, 2016 02:56229033
2It is Islam [27 words]Robin RosenblattApr 19, 2016 01:54229030

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