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Erdogan wants the Ottoman Empire, not Europe

Reader comment on item: Erdoğan Leads Turkey to the Precipice
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Submitted by Michael S (United States), Oct 21, 2015 at 13:17

Hi, Alexandros. You said,

Can anybody answer how visa policy and opening negotiation chapters with EU help the Turkish authorities tackle human trafficking? Doesn't thic mean automatically that Erdogan uses refugees as a leverage towards EU and that he either can control human trafficking as he wish or that he is just promising empty letters? How can Europeans brag over such negotiations where they are treated as stupids by the sultan?

It is stupid, as you say, to think of allowing Turkey into the Schengen zone, which would put all refugees in Turkey immediately inside the heart of Europe. Angela Merckel is simply trying to make a deal with the "sultan", as you correctly call the one who sits on a golden throne in a 1000-room palace, swapping favors (short of EU membership) in return for not letting so many migrants through into Greece (and thence to Germany). Erdogan knows he holds all the cards here, and does not intend to fall for Merckel's bluff.

If I were Erdogan, I would press the Germans, instead, to back, both politically and militarily, the establishment of a "no fly" zone in northern Syria that essentially would become a "No Kurd" zone. Erdogan has continued to flirt with the Europeans, while making his real play in the Middle East. He knows he's not a "European" but a Muslim who wants to create a Sharia caliphate centered on himself (with his right-hand man Goebbels, in the person of Davotuglu). Any dealings with Europe are simply leverage to obtain that ultimate goal. His territorial ambitions in Europe, so far as I can see, are to become master of Greece and Serbia, not a pawn of Germany.

Turkey is interesting to me, in the way it fits in with the prophecy in Ezekiel 38-39. The Ottoman Empire was at its peak in the 1600s, when the Polish captain John Sobieski drove his forces from the field before Vienna. By the time of Napoleon, around 1800, the Empire was in rapid decline; and over then next 120 years, it was parcelled out among the European powers. Even today, not many people seriously contemplate Turkey as ever becoming more than a regional power; but the power of russia has loomed in people's thinking while the Ottomans have faded from memory. For this reason, most students of prophecy have thought that Russia was somehow the "Gog" of Ezekiel 38. I have maintained for years, however, that everything in that passage of scripture points to Turkey. With the arrival of a nationalist tyrant there who openly challenges the great powers and puts on imperial pretensions, people should seriously consider the writings of Ezekiel.


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