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What ended the Roman civilization and brought about the dark ages? It was Islam! (Gasp!)

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Feb 5, 2015 at 12:24

Our dear Mozere is still stuck in the 19th century books of history by the likes of E Gibbon

E Gibbon in his said masterpiece blames the fall on the adoptation of christianity as the state religion rather than the barbarians at the Gates.Paganism was outlawed by 400AD academies teaching the wisdom of ancient Greeks were closed,end of free thinking.In its stead we have apathy and loss of civic pride due to belief in imminent milleaniarism.

This is so far from the historical truth and indeed because of archaeology we understand more about what really happend and modern historians are providing many answers to: "What ended the Roman civilization and brought about the dark ages" and indeed Henri Pirenne (1862-1935) proved that it was Islam (Gasp!) and the Arab invasions of the 7th century that brought the dark ages to Europe and not the invasions by the barbarians and it cannot be blamed on Christianity either.

The so called barbarians were just as Roman as the Romans themselves. They built like the Romans and they followed Roman law and they lived like the Romans and used the same coins and regarded the emperor in Constantinople as a leader and as if nothing has changed in 476CE when the Roman empire was dissolved and Gibbon did not even get it

Christianity brought with it education and indeed the monks and their monasteries were very active in learning and not just the sacred texts but also the Greek learning and this was also happening in Constantinople until the so called Ghazi Mehemt II (whose Mama was Armenian) invaded the city and his followers looted what they can put their hands on.

And remember that in 642CE when the Arabs invaded Egypt libraries in Alexnadria still had Greeks books as in the case of the Alexandria Academy (575CE) and if we are to believe the Arab historians then Amr Ibn al-'As did burn these books as per order from Omar right our dear Mozere?.

And these pagan books were not even limited to Alexandria but also the excavations in places like Oxyrhynchus in Upper Egypt revealed that educated and Christian Egyptians were reading the pagan Greek books on the eve of the Arab invasion in 642CE and it seems that the Coptic monks were reading the likes of Plato in Greek

Now 2 centuries later Alexadria became a backwater and education and learning were gone thanks to the Arabs and Egyptians were not reading any more Greek books

The Arabs? they had no like for learning and as for their sacred texts they will left in the hands on the Ulama

Oh Dar al-Hikma in Baghdad? It was Nestorians that translated the learning of the Greeks to Syriac and then to Arabic and it was the Jews that translated the Arabic copies of these books in occupied Spain back to Catalan and then Latin and gave back to the Europeans their Greek heritage

Christianity had nothing to do with it. Christianity provided the foundation for secularism and the separation of the state and the Church

Oh the Crusades? Europeans were imitating Muslims and the Crusades were no more than al-Jihad or the Islamic holy war

The forced conversions to Christianity of the natives in the Americas by the Spaniards it was no more than imitation of Islam and its Islam Taslam and the vile Iqtolo al-mushrikeen

The burning of the books and libraries of the native people in Mesoamerica by the Spaniards? It was not any different from Muslims burning the books of non Muslims be it is Alexandria or Ctesiphon or Nalanda!

The Spaniards learned about jihad and forced conversions and burning of books from the Muslim invaders of Spain!

The real tragedy is the historical evidence reveals that the importation of papyri from Egypt came to an end in the 7th century because the Arabs made sailing between Egypt and Europe impossible and the alternative to papyri was velum which was very expensive which must have had a catastrophic effect on copying of books and therefore learning in Europe

It is Islam and the Islamic invasions that indeed ended the Roman civilization and brought about the dark ages and not Christianity

The foundation of the Western civilization? It stems from the Greeks and their learing as well as from Judeo-Christianity

Islam? Not even close

There are lessons for this in modern Europe,we must all ,including recent incomers take pride in our democratic free societies.

And let me paraphrase this the Turks have to grow up and admit that their ancestors destroyed the Byzantine empire and were responsible for many genocides until then I have no respect for Turkey or its people

While the mob and the vulgar may take comfort in unquestioning blind faith we must not let the so called community leaders give intellectual respectability to fanaticism and bigotry. ve.co.

Do your self a favor and read some modern historical books on the subject but again education in Turkey must be a disaster


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