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Reader comment on item: Why Was Enoch Powell Condemned as a Racist and Not Charles de Gaulle?

Submitted by Ron Thompson (United States), Aug 19, 2013 at 17:41

This article by Daniel Pipes has some important thoughts, especially the quotes by the two leaders. But I'm not sure what his point is? Is it that if we focused more on the RELIGION of the Muslims (actually a totalitarian system engulfing politics and culture as well as religion, indeed engulfing everything), rather than the race-based and culture-based comments of Powell and De Gaulle, we would be on stronger ground (as I certainly think)?

When Pipes says no politician today would "dare speak as directly" as De Gaulle and Powell did, is he recommending that some leader should, or not?

Ironically, while he seems to be praising De Gaulle for his comments (and I'm glad to see them), just last week I ran across an article from Oct, 2012, in a NY-based publication called The Muslim Issue entitled, French President Charles De Gaulle is the Founding Father of Eurabia. This was based in part on a quote by De Gaulle from a Nov, 1967 news conference, when he "stated openly that French cooperation with the Arab world had become 'the fundamental basis of our foreign policy'."

Now this is an over-the-top article in that while De Gaulle did betray Israel in the 1967 war, and he probably had a grandiose idea of off-setting both Russian and "Anglo-Saxon" influence in Europe with a bloc of nations led by France, with a subordinate role played by the Arabs, it seems absurd that this advocate of a 'Europe of the Fatherlands' would have stood by while France saw its identity eroded by spineless accomodations with Islamic supremacism in the decades aftre his passing. Indeed, that sentiment of cultural defense and pride is clearly present in Pipes' quote.

But the 2012 article linking De Gaulle's 1967 declaration with the later flood of attempts to reconcile Islam with European civilization is still worth perusal, even if largely wrong.

And so, if Pipes' agrees with Powell's and de Gaulle's warnings, absent the racism of the former, and the cultural condescension of the latter, and at the same time is still not ready to indict Islam itself, then on what basis does he agree with them?!


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Title Commenter Date Thread
3Dear Mr. Pipes [70 words]Debanjan BanerjeeAug 22, 2013 12:19209167
3Of Arzals and Ashrafs and hypocricy [213 words]dhimmi no moreAug 23, 2013 06:41209167
1why this double standard ? [49 words]SamSep 9, 2013 22:57209167
true reason for some arabs migration to india and.nearby regions [92 words]being humanSep 16, 2013 11:50209167
Victims of Islam [48 words]dhimmi no moreSep 18, 2013 07:27209167
cure for dhimmi:) [75 words]Being HumanOct 10, 2013 09:49209167
1The elephant in the room and the Muslim mind [96 words]dhimmi no moreOct 11, 2013 09:52209167
The pink elephant in the room [116 words]Being HumanOct 29, 2013 09:22209167
4Islam and "racism" [99 words]Delta MikeAug 21, 2013 21:07209150
3Why Was Enoch Powell Condemned as a Racist and Not Charles deGaulle [202 words]JudithAug 20, 2013 20:19209122
1context of WW2 - Blitz-immigration [235 words]mythAug 20, 2013 18:18209120
Powell [34 words]VijayAug 20, 2013 14:04209117
Tagore [46 words]VijayAug 20, 2013 14:01209116
2SOCIAL ENGINEERING BY POPULATION MANIPULATION [277 words]John HashamAug 20, 2013 12:07209114
1The fundamental issues are not dealt with [95 words]Aurora AronssonAug 20, 2013 08:49209106
1Them and us. [13 words]steven lAug 20, 2013 00:30209094
What is the difference with Jews in the 30s and 40s [66 words]AsokAug 20, 2013 03:54209094
4Five Points on De Gaulle and Powell [402 words]IlsensteinAug 19, 2013 20:43209092
2racism or culturalism? [610 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Kepha HorAug 19, 2013 19:43209088
1C.S. Lewis & Martin Buber [83 words]David W. LincolnAug 19, 2013 18:57209086
3Not a Clear Message? [359 words]Ron ThompsonAug 19, 2013 17:41209085
1So, Say It, Daniel [16 words]Mark WerfelAug 19, 2013 17:39209084
3It seems like the French were right (although it pains me to say so). [56 words]David OleskerAug 19, 2013 17:23209083

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