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Submitted by Jason (United States), Nov 15, 2012 at 17:20

This is one of the few times I find myself at odds with Dr. Pipes. The suppression of women in the ARAB world (which is NOT the same thing as the Muslim world) has nothing to do with any fear of their out of control passion. It stems from the fact that the Arab world has basically followed the Ancient Greek model of sexuality: sex with boys for fun, sex with women for children. This is different from homosexuality as practiced in the West (a same sex partner for all occasions). Anyone who has spent any time there would see this in the forms of prostitution found there. The result, just as in Ancient Greece, is that women are viewed as either being intrinsically evil or subhuman. BTW, non-Muslims need to understand that most of what is referred to as "Muslim" law or tradition is not Muslim as all. It is Arab and is found nowhere in the Koran. This is especially true for Shariah Law. Very little of it actually comes from the Koran. The VAST majority of it comes from Arab tradition.

Lastly, we need to separate Muslim extremism from ARAB extremism. I contend that the former does not exist, and that what we are fighting is solely the latter. After all, it was 19 Saudi bastards that attacked America on 9/11. Even in places like Afghanistan, the Taliban (the group that most closely follows the ARAB traditions in Islam) are a small minority. So let's stop painting Islam with the same broad brush that should be applied strictly to the ARABS.


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double standards [73 words]alphaJan 15, 2013 02:07202609
5Arab world basically homosexual [264 words]JasonNov 15, 2012 17:20200654
1Jason needs to read some good news paper [58 words]PrashantNov 16, 2012 01:09200654
Take a good look at who is behind the extremism [232 words]JasonNov 17, 2012 09:33200654
How do they do it? [51 words]salkeyMay 4, 2012 07:14195423
1Women today [102 words]salkeyMay 4, 2012 07:14195422
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Interesting question, something that always gets Muslims uncomfortable [98 words]Abdullah K.Feb 1, 2011 23:41177666
open minded [37 words]rachnaSep 4, 2010 04:11177664
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sharia compliant online sexshop El Asira [74 words]mythApr 17, 2010 09:08171394
the koran and islamists culture mess up something as wonderful as sex. [158 words]Phil GreendAug 26, 2009 21:43160677
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I happen to know for a fact that it is forbidden by Allah for any man to force his female mate to worship him [131 words]ReneeAug 5, 2006 09:5751712
1Renee (United States), Aug 5, 2006 at 09:57 [73 words]GabrielleApr 27, 2008 05:2451712
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3response [91 words]Kevin MJul 3, 2006 18:1936667
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blames ..blames.. [211 words]MarcoDec 5, 2005 16:2729458
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2For Reema: the enemy of Islam is the media? you are kidding me! [202 words]dhimmi no moreJul 4, 2006 12:3715813
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2No the media is not the enemy of Islam. And I am not kidding! [820 words]ReemaAug 7, 2006 09:1115813
1For Reema: al-tihara al-sunni, "my best friend is Christian" and other sordid matters!! [1075 words]dhimmi no moreAug 7, 2006 19:5415813
2For Reema: Islam and polemics, and "one of my closest friend is a Christian" part two!! [979 words]dhimmi no moreAug 8, 2006 07:4515813
1Well... [197 words]ReemaAug 9, 2006 01:3615813
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1TO DHIMMI NO MORE [338 words]annonomusOct 22, 2006 18:3915813
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For annonomus: more fantasy and her little fatwa part deux! [46 words]dhimmi no moreOct 23, 2006 19:0015813
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Question [169 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Carrie LilesMay 27, 2004 10:4415384
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