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Once ikhwan are in control, forget about democracy

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Submitted by Sherif Helmy (United Kingdom), Jul 12, 2012 at 09:42

As an Egyptian, I am always interested in Dr Pipes' views. On this occasion, I think the situation is a lot more complex for a variety of reasons:

1. While SCAF is neither secular nor liberal, it is also not islamist, and has moderate political views related to foreign affairs, unlike ikhwan who are the glossy, sophisticated version of islamists, who are certainly far more dangerous than SCAF, as their target is to control the whole region with their islamist ideology, using Egypt as a spring board.

2. Almost all SCAF members have vast financial interests and they have been directly responsible for several massacres that took place over the last few months (Maspero, Mohamed Mahmoud, etc..). They know that they will be put on trial (and probably executed) the minute they lose power to the islamists.

3. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that SCAF is colluding with ikhwan to keep the status quo, in a power sharing status, until one of them is able to take full control. The army greatly assisted ikhwan during the parliamentary elections to win tens of seats by fraud, in addition to changing the voting borders in favour of islamists, and dismissing more than a thousand documented complaints about fraud within the elections. That could not have happened if SCAF viewed islamists as enemies.

4. There has been a radical shift in public opinion of the moslem middle class in Egypt, who finally realised the true colours of ikhwan. Interestingly, while the vast majority of Egyptians were anti-mubarak, almost half the population voted for Shafik because of fear of islamist rule.

5. Western pressure on SCAF to allow ikhwan to govern will be a total disaster. The army is the ONLY power in Egypt that can de-throne ikhwan. If any one thinks that ikhwan will give up power if they ever lost an election, then they are sadly deluded. Ikhwan have made it clear on every single occasion that they will NEVER give away power. Every election in the future will be rigged (they have been able to rig elections without being in power!). they have hundreds of judges who share their ideology and have no problem rigging any future elections. This explains why so many people in Egypt are hoping for a military coup that would end up sending islamists back to jail.


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Is your article totally obsolete? [22 words]
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MayerAug 16, 2012 20:38197979
1Dr. Pipes: I'm afraid your thesis has been proven wrong. [109 words]
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There is NO Santa ClausAug 14, 2012 08:47197904
Wrong [23 words]KarimAug 13, 2012 22:21197892
2Tantawi and SCAF and their crimes [307 words]dhimmi no moreAug 14, 2012 18:47197892
Wrong again [237 words]KarimAug 25, 2012 17:54197892
1Egypt and the future [769 words]dhimmi no moreAug 28, 2012 07:24197892
1Morsi is clueless [559 words]dhimmi no moreSep 2, 2012 14:29197892
Missed badly [34 words]
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KarimAug 13, 2012 11:27197880
Who is the real ruler of Egypt ? [34 words]NajimJul 26, 2012 02:46197446
1Truth [147 words]simon salosnyJul 19, 2012 12:53197313
3Egypt is broke [52 words]There is NO Santa ClausJul 16, 2012 00:43197256
7Too optimistic in my view [184 words]saraJul 16, 2012 18:51197256
On the new Egypt [13 words]Tevya ZJul 14, 2012 22:03197242
Egypt [147 words]simonsonJul 13, 2012 20:44197231
3You are one very confused person. [84 words]Peter HallAug 15, 2012 04:47197231
14War is inevitable [93 words]Michael Hanni MorcosJul 12, 2012 23:06197208
7Unfolding as foretold [66 words]Michael Hanni MorcosJul 12, 2012 22:50197207
Egyptian military and China's PLA: A match made in Heaven? [160 words]Martin KatchenJul 12, 2012 21:20197204
Egypt's Real Ruler, Mohammed Tantawi [165 words]JudithJul 12, 2012 17:34197188
5What a mess! [75 words]NuritGJul 12, 2012 15:41197178
6Once ikhwan are in control, forget about democracy [392 words]Sherif HelmyJul 12, 2012 09:42197174
12Chance of a Millenium [66 words]Michael Hanni MorcosJul 12, 2012 23:24197174
6EGYPTIAN POLITICS [109 words]
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JACQUES HADIDAJul 11, 2012 17:14197164
4Time Will Tell [65 words]Gary SackJul 11, 2012 14:48197162
5Real Ruler? Not for long. [114 words]MosheJul 11, 2012 14:02197161
This doesn't sound like DP to me -- look at Turkey, where a much weaker islamist mov't ousted the more entrenched military [17 words]
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MarkJul 11, 2012 10:44197154
Tantawi is gone, and it took even less time than I expected. [EOM] [12 words]MarkAug 13, 2012 11:42197154
3Tantawi and SCAF and their crimes [136 words]dhimmi no moreAug 14, 2012 07:13197154
military the executive branch [74 words]mythJul 11, 2012 07:50197151
6Mohamed Morsi and Tantawi [365 words]
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dhimmi no moreJul 11, 2012 07:15197150
8Forgot one Issue [46 words]Michael Hanni MorcosJul 12, 2012 23:34197150
2Missing Law? [45 words]Peter HallAug 15, 2012 04:51197150
7The goat is found in S.A. [91 words]Michael Hanni MorcosAug 17, 2012 05:54197150
1Questions regarding your article 'Egypt's real Ruler' [131 words]
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Doug MayfieldJul 11, 2012 07:10197149

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