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Submitted by sara (United States), Jun 21, 2012 at 19:29

Ok. I will give it another try.

You say: If Muslims in Muslim countries vote for sharia law to rule their society it is none of our business.

But unfortunately, by your own statement, you admit that it is indeed our business when you wrote "Until Muslims attempt to impose themselves on us through force". How on earth would that not our business?

You say: ... there is the sharia law of the Muslim Brothers, the sharia law of the Iranian Ayatullahs, and the sharia law of the Taliban. They are not all the same thing.

Oh, yes they most certainly are. We do not need to dissect the nitpicking differences, but suffice it so say that all subjugate women (have a look at this comedic Imam that I saw today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOrTuotvylo&feature=share), all pronounce death for gays and apostates from Islam, etc. etc. Do you really think that there is a moderate form of Sharia law? That statement is antithetical.

You say: Free will is not a western concept. It either exists independent of external factors like locality or it does not exist at all.

Actually, yes, it is a western concept. Tribal clans and subjugated peoples do not all long for freedom and craft sophisticated plots to free themselves like in the movies. There are differences in cultures around the world, people think differently, value differently and live differently and it is not for us to judge but to acknowledge that there are differences and work with them.

You say: Like I said, the election of a Muslim Brother may turn out horribly for Egypt, but the election of Islamists else where has not turned into rivers of blood.

Well, it remains to be seen what will be the outcome in Egypt. But it's a pretty safe bet that Islamists will be taking the culture backwards in time (see Gaza today under Hamas vs. Gazans under the PA, or see Egypt under Nasser, secular). When religion dictates economic policy, people suffer. When religion dictates foreign policy, we are all in trouble. One of the greatest obstacles we have in dealing with Iran is that the religious component, the return of the Mahdi, drives their agenda, so they are not open to dialogue, negotiation or compromise. They are just fine with armageddon as it hastens the return of the Mahdi.

No rivers of blood? I beg to differ, sir. Perhaps you are not searching out (as the media does not showcase) the bloody massacres in Darfur/Sudan, Somalia, Cote D'Ivoire, Nigeria, Yemen, etc. etc? Exactly how much blood would you require to be spilled to be called a river?


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Title Commenter Date Thread
5Islam is more primitive than medieval [190 words]EmilyJun 27, 2012 14:55196754
5Well answered -Islam is changing to the worse [123 words]Michael Hanni MorcosJun 13, 2012 12:25196314
8The liberal age revisited [266 words]dhimmi no moreJun 13, 2012 08:30196303
6Those days are gone [208 words]Michael Hanni MorcosJun 14, 2012 11:34196303
We never had Egypt to lose [76 words]SchillsJun 20, 2012 20:31196303
Islamic Liberalism will make a comeback [40 words]SchillsJun 20, 2012 20:35196303
1Until? perhaps you meant to say Unless? [273 words]saraJun 21, 2012 17:27196303
3Main Problem in Main street [80 words]Michael Hanni MorcosJun 21, 2012 18:28196303
So how will you determine when Egyptians can rule themselves? [167 words]SchillsJun 21, 2012 19:01196303
4Sad reality to try to convey [438 words]saraJun 21, 2012 19:29196303
Nasser is your example of a good secular leader? [271 words]SchillsJun 22, 2012 16:25196303
Islamist government [129 words]steveNJun 22, 2012 16:47196303
1No, Nasser was an example of a more secular period [304 words]saraJun 22, 2012 20:03196303
Democratic Islamists are more desirable than secular despots [95 words]SchillsJun 23, 2012 15:28196303
3tablighee nonsense [34 words]dhimmi no moreJun 26, 2012 06:56196303
2Debate About Are Islam and Democracy compatible [63 words]saraJun 26, 2012 17:55196303
4No Democracy in Islam [70 words]dhimmi no moreJun 27, 2012 17:57196303

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