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Submitted by myth (Germany), Jun 4, 2012 at 05:51

Djererijan obscures reality by means of language. Let me go through the quotes in this article:

  1. "the role of religion" is a false abstraction of reality. That reality is: it is precisely one religion, namely Islam, that plays a role in the Middle East.
  2. "variously labeled political Islam, the Islamic revival, or Islamic fundamentalism" despite the adverb "variously" ignores that the Islamists themselves call this "Islam", nothing more.
  3. Djererijan swaps the meanings of "ideal" and "belief". He attributes "ideal" to Islam and "belief" to the Western values. In reality "belief" falls into the category of religion. One reads "Islamic ideals" as opposed to "we believe in the principle".
  4. He attributes a harder substance to Islam as compared to Western Democracy when he characterizes "firmly grounded in Islamic principles" as compared to the softer "we believe in the principle". This contradicts his soft evaluation "considerable diversity in how these ideals are expressed". The goal to base a government on Islam is common to all Islamists, no diversity on that matter.
  5. Djererijan hides the identity of the islamists using "groups of movements" and "those who". But who are they? Given they exist across the thousands of miles covering "countries throughout the Middle East and North Africa" I ask - who are they?
  6. The text frequently uses negations: "*no* monolithic or coordinated international effort behind these movements", "religion is *not* a determinant", "the U.S. government does *not* view Islam as the next 'ism', "The Cold War is *not* being replaced(...)". This indicates that the author is worried about exactly what he negates: A coordinated international movement determined by Islamic ideology directed against the West replacing the Cold War.

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Title Commenter Date Thread
1You can pay me now, or you can pay me later [375 words]Frank LivingstonAug 8, 2013 07:00208878
2Syria can be the wake-up call to this nightmare illusion [218 words]Michael Hanni MorcosJun 18, 2012 00:29196418
The Best Solution to end religious motivated terrorism. [157 words]Logic WindowJun 14, 2012 12:33196346
2Delusional Thinking [98 words]CliffordJun 10, 2012 18:32196217
1ignorant comparison [26 words]scottindallasJun 12, 2012 16:01196217
20Arabian imperialism [121 words]dhimmi no moreJun 13, 2012 07:42196217
5Ignorance or a Fool [45 words]CliffordJun 13, 2012 14:22196217
cognative dissonance [118 words]scottindallasJun 14, 2012 10:00196217
4Christians killing Muslims? [81 words]saraJun 14, 2012 20:28196217
3Facts About Islam & Muslims [118 words]CliffordJun 14, 2012 21:03196217
15Victims of Arabian imperialism and islam is the religion of the arabs only [56 words]dhimmi no moreJun 15, 2012 05:37196217
2and muslims occupying christian lands ? [28 words]roger spleenJun 15, 2012 06:09196217
14The salafists are hypocrites and the recent arrest of a salafi member of the Egyptian parliament read and laugh [136 words]dhimmi no moreJun 10, 2012 09:53196206
1Arabs are people too [20 words]scottindallasJun 12, 2012 16:04196206
13The salafi sheikh and Islamic lies [217 words]dhimmi no moreJun 13, 2012 06:13196206
2what about Christians and Jews ? [23 words]roger spleenJun 15, 2012 06:12196206
12Never the twain shall mix [199 words]maurice massaadJun 5, 2012 23:08196065
1another mistranslation [144 words]scottindallasJun 12, 2012 16:15196065
15The word kufr and you need to stick to Urdu our dear scottindallas al-tablighee [629 words]dhimmi no moreJun 13, 2012 07:02196065
Is this guy kidding? [80 words]DaveJun 5, 2012 17:39196054
3Moslem money works wonders in America [100 words]IanusJun 7, 2012 10:30196054
1ever heard of AIPAC? [77 words]scottindallasJun 8, 2012 18:48196054
10And ever heard of the way Muslims from India, Paksitan and Bangladesh are treated in Wahhabi Land? let me help you watch the video [133 words]dhimmi no moreJun 10, 2012 14:45196054
1Dalets, illegal aliens... [101 words]scottindallasJun 12, 2012 16:24196054
11Pakistanis in the land of Allah and the wahhabis [479 words]dhimmi no moreJun 13, 2012 06:31196054
14Our dear scottindallas cares less about the sufferings of non Arabs in Saudi Arabia the land of his Arab masters [67 words]dhimmi no moreJun 13, 2012 11:53196054
3second faulty assumption [152 words]mythJun 5, 2012 12:35196051
Brilliant [170 words]Leon KushnerJun 5, 2012 12:31196050
Some measure of prudence [157 words]Peter HerzJun 4, 2012 21:27196035
2Language Obscures Reality [275 words]mythJun 4, 2012 05:51196021
12O LONG YEARS. [121 words]batya daganJun 4, 2012 01:48196018
5What Our Forebearers Knew [120 words]Tom DundeeJun 4, 2012 00:37196014
May we have the quotes you cite? [86 words]Ron ThompsonJun 5, 2012 10:40196014
1don't stop there [79 words]scottindallasJun 5, 2012 21:53196014
2Did I read right!? [132 words]Ron ThompsonJun 6, 2012 17:50196014
1indeed [120 words]scottindallasJun 8, 2012 08:46196014
6Islamic hypocrisy [98 words]dhimmi no moreJun 16, 2012 15:47196014
2But they never are. [31 words]Stephen BlantonJun 3, 2012 21:10196012
3Twenty Years Of Illusion About Islamism [173 words]JudithJun 3, 2012 20:00196010
1Judaism not a democracy [99 words]scottindallasJun 5, 2012 22:14196010
Twenty Years Of Illusion About Islamism [72 words]JudithJun 6, 2012 20:03196010
11Lost tablighees and victims of Arabian imperialism [512 words]dhimmi no moreJun 10, 2012 14:24196010
2reasons? [78 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 15, 2012 23:09196010
6Sharia is the biggest illusion [111 words]Michael Hanni MorcosJun 3, 2012 19:48196009
1Definitely an Illusion [165 words]Fuzzy1Jun 5, 2012 10:28196009
1"case law" is set in stone [138 words]scottindallasJun 8, 2012 18:44196009
1Sharia, two examples. [364 words]scottindallasJun 8, 2012 19:03196009
9Beyond Outrageous [81 words]Michael Hanni MorcosJun 9, 2012 18:35196009
1Still... [147 words]Kepha HorJun 9, 2012 18:52196009
5More proof of death for apostacy [40 words]Michael Hanni MorcosJun 9, 2012 20:27196009
7Lost tablighees and there bogus claims [120 words]dhimmi no moreJun 10, 2012 14:30196009
3Scott is deluded [177 words]truthmanJun 10, 2012 18:11196009
2nothing new [9 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 11, 2012 01:50196009
2Very gruesome indeed [1 words]Michael Hanni MorcosJun 11, 2012 20:16196009
1... slavery [50 words]scottindallasJun 12, 2012 16:30196009
1we murder abortion doctors in church [4 words]scottindallasJun 12, 2012 16:40196009
1what's your point? [68 words]scottindallasJun 12, 2012 16:46196009
1not much different [118 words]scottindallasJun 12, 2012 16:54196009
6What is really Islamophobia [39 words]dhimmi no moreJun 13, 2012 11:30196009
8Tablighee delusions albeit in Dallas [102 words]dhimmi no moreJun 13, 2012 11:39196009
3'We" murder abortion doctors... really?? [146 words]stanley bJun 13, 2012 17:53196009
6Islamic delusions [191 words]dhimmi no moreJun 13, 2012 19:35196009
3stop it [37 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 14, 2012 00:59196009
6It seems that Muslims burnt copies of the Qur'an! [87 words]dhimmi no moreJun 14, 2012 05:33196009
2Twenty Years of Illusion about Islamism [45 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
GMA215Jun 3, 2012 19:05196008
1they all look alike? [26 words]scottindallasJun 6, 2012 18:01196008
1Twenty Years of Illusion about Islamism [55 words]GMA215Jun 6, 2012 18:21196008
Whats the diff. [107 words]Ibn IsmailJun 7, 2012 00:52196008
3Does the word "Islamism" exist in Arabic? [94 words]IanusJun 7, 2012 08:38196008
3Does anyone know when the Age of Enlightenment in the Moslem world happened ? [180 words]IanusJun 7, 2012 08:58196008
2Enters a moderate Moslem ? [93 words]IanusJun 8, 2012 01:04196008
When will Islam change [69 words]Ibn IsmailJun 8, 2012 08:35196008
1golden rule [193 words]scottindallasJun 8, 2012 08:54196008
1colonialism [97 words]scottindallasJun 8, 2012 08:59196008
1jihad [101 words]scottindallasJun 8, 2012 09:05196008
5Islam is at best a fairly primitive language game. If played on its own deceptive terms,it doesn't give a non-Moslem any chance to win. [334 words]IanusJun 8, 2012 16:18196008
6All that glitters is not gold [482 words]IanusJun 8, 2012 16:40196008
5Moslems know better [425 words]IanusJun 8, 2012 17:26196008
7Mahomet as a gardener or Jihad=Islam=Islamism=Moderate Islam ? [317 words]IanusJun 8, 2012 18:04196008
1the golden rule [393 words]scottindallasJun 8, 2012 18:39196008
2you argue a strawman [382 words]scottindallasJun 8, 2012 19:21196008
1methodists and baptist? same book? [178 words]scottindallasJun 8, 2012 19:30196008
1Remember Galileo and Copernicus [182 words]scottindallasJun 8, 2012 19:42196008
1no one's perfect [75 words]scottindallasJun 8, 2012 19:46196008
5Many in body but one in Mind [82 words]Michael Hanni MorcosJun 9, 2012 21:48196008
7history rewritten [86 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 9, 2012 23:34196008
8The goose and the gander and lost tablighees [673 words]dhimmi no moreJun 10, 2012 07:21196008
6Do you really expect that scottindallas knows any Arabic? He is a tablighee and no more [222 words]dhimmi no moreJun 10, 2012 07:45196008
9Victims of Arabian imperialism and islam is the religion of the arabs only [672 words]dhimmi no moreJun 10, 2012 08:23196008
6Tablighee delusions albeit in Dallas [65 words]dhimmi no moreJun 10, 2012 08:27196008
13And speaking of Galileo, Copernicus and Kepler and the Quranic cosmology and the flat earth [380 words]dhimmi no moreJun 10, 2012 08:48196008
6Gem time [113 words]dhimmi no moreJun 10, 2012 08:52196008
9And I have friends that left Islam [461 words]dhimmi no moreJun 10, 2012 09:10196008
1What is Islamism And What is Islam? [163 words]Mark DJun 10, 2012 22:33196008
5What really happened to the library of Alexandria and the fraudulent claims of Muslim historians [123 words]dhimmi no moreJun 11, 2012 06:54196008
2Islamism inIn Arabic 'Islamism' (al tayar al-islami) bad because too Western; in English 'Islamism' bad because not Western enough [350 words]IanusJun 11, 2012 08:19196008
4The meaning of the word Jihad from an Arabic dictionary! It means Holy War! [587 words]dhimmi no moreJun 12, 2012 05:39196008
4al-tayar al-islami [357 words]dhimmi no moreJun 12, 2012 06:02196008
1New speak or just revisionist history? are all the rest of your "facts" this good [75 words]szgaborJun 12, 2012 12:11196008
25The library of Alexandria and attention our dear scottindallas al-tablighee [1229 words]dhimmi no moreJun 12, 2012 12:23196008
9It seems that our dear scottindallas is not aware that Muslim historians tell us that Muslims did burn the Zoroastrian library [483 words]dhimmi no moreJun 12, 2012 14:48196008
1bishop's decree [193 words]scottindallasJun 12, 2012 15:50196008
1not everyone's the same, we're all alike that way [110 words]scottindallasJun 12, 2012 16:37196008
1history ignored [191 words]scottindallasJun 12, 2012 16:55196008
1people are people [194 words]scottindallasJun 12, 2012 17:11196008
6misplaced allegiance [83 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 12, 2012 23:17196008
1book burning [73 words]scottindallasJun 13, 2012 02:36196008
12The fraudulent Islamic historical tradition [157 words]dhimmi no moreJun 13, 2012 07:24196008
6Right scottindallas, everyone's the same except for the killing part [148 words]saraJun 13, 2012 18:02196008
6The bogus islamic historical tradition and bogus claims by tablighees [183 words]dhimmi no moreJun 13, 2012 18:56196008
6Our dear scottindallas told us that Muslims did't burn libraries now he is changing his mind I just wonder why [75 words]dhimmi no moreJun 13, 2012 19:19196008
7Help Wanted urgently -whether you drink beer or Not. [215 words]Michael Hanni MorcosJun 14, 2012 00:27196008
5bias [95 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 14, 2012 01:09196008
5Muslim historians tell us that Muslims indeed burnt the libraries of Alexandria and Ctesiphon so is this true our dear scottindallas [337 words]dhimmi no moreJun 14, 2012 05:53196008
4ideas? [42 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 14, 2012 22:54196008
4But Muslim historians tell us that Muslims burnt the library of Alexandria right our dear scottindallas? [99 words]dhimmi no moreJun 15, 2012 05:47196008
31Muslims and burning of books and the burning and destruction of the great Buddhist library at Nalanda by Muslim savages [498 words]dhimmi no moreJun 24, 2012 14:03196008
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1The crimes of the Muslim invaders of India [324 words]dhimmi no moreMay 10, 2014 07:05196008
open & apply ur mind [92 words]subuhiJul 25, 2014 06:58196008
1The difference is ayat al-sayf [179 words]dhimmi no moreJul 28, 2014 06:48196008

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