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The Battle of the Rebuttals

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Submitted by Pied Piper (Saudi Arabia), Mar 3, 2012 at 16:43

"If all of that is no genuine despotism and bloody Oriental tyranny pure and simple, then what is ?"

The State Dept. and Amnesty Intl. reports you quote make interesting not to say wacky reading......but they are pure and laughable bunk.

I won't deny that all the "misdeeds" listed may have occurred at one time or another in the Kingdom.....but they've also occurred (at one time or another) in the USA, let alone anywhere else. To deny that they have is simply an exercise in pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking.

After all, even the Constitution of the United States clearly states that it is illegal to advocate the overthrow of the established government. Ditto in Saudi Arabia. The fact that one state is ruled by an elected president and another by an absolute monarch is beside the point......both adhere rigidly and inexorably to this belief of the sanctity of the established government. The difference is simply one of interpretation and the scope of one's vision (and, usually, one's political agenda), but at bottom both countries - all countries- are exactly the same in this respect.

Again, all the accusations by the State Dept. and Amnesty Intl. have indeed taken place in the Kingdom....but...they are so infrequent as to be inconsequential and occur only within the framework of strict guidelines and principals. You make it sound like all this takes place by whim and caprice and that these practices are taking place on a daily basis. That is patently absurd.

The State of Texas conducted 472 executions between 1976 and 2011. I don't know the figure for the Kingdom, but I bet it was close to the Texas numbers......and we're just talking about ONE state in the union. All these things are relative is my point.

If the State Dept. really believed and condemned (it doesn't) the evil practices in the Kingdom it so pompously publishes, one would think the US would immediately break diplomatic relations - at the very least- with the Kingdom forthwith. The fact that it doesn't speaks volumes of which the less said the better.

The fact is the vast majority of Saudi citizens are comparatively happy and satisfied with how things are run in the Kingdom. That is not to say that there are no complaints and that there are no injustices. To take one famous example of women not being allowed to drive cars in the Kingdom or cannot travel without permission. This is true but it is done to protect females, not to restrict them. Most women have no problem with this practice. In a lot of ways, the Kingdom does not exist in a "medieval" mind-set as it does with a "wild, wild West" mentality. The cornucopia of civil and criminal laws that exist in Western countries simply doesn't exist here. Therefore "punishment" has to be swift, harsh and final, just like it used to be in Dodge City.

I am not saying there are no "problems" in the KIngdom. But the way it's usually depicted by the Western press is far from reality and belongs more to the sphere of fiction and fantasy.

Submitting....

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Title Commenter Date Thread
revolutions have nothing to do with democracy [235 words]calhouniteApr 10, 2012 10:11195050
Disband this money sucking monstrosity [104 words]danariFeb 23, 2012 00:42193574
Americans the British and the UN [1349 words]Martin HoranMay 31, 2012 08:31193574
The toothless U.N. [68 words]saraFeb 14, 2012 18:53193374
8Democracies and their undemocratic allies [524 words]IanusFeb 13, 2012 18:38193356
American Democracy Can No Longer Be Exported - Cannot Export What One Does Not Have [561 words]M. ToveyFeb 16, 2012 14:30193356
3When you can't export democracy because you don't have it,then you export what you have, e.g. oligarchy or Wahhabism [519 words]IanusFeb 17, 2012 16:07193356
A Rebuttal [394 words]Pied PiperFeb 25, 2012 18:00193356
2A rebuttal of the rebuttal [1095 words]IanusFeb 25, 2012 19:48193356
The Battle of the Rebuttals [519 words]Pied PiperMar 3, 2012 16:43193356
2How many witches have been recently beheaded in the US ? [551 words]IanusMar 4, 2012 06:44193356
Ibi Erit Fletus et Stridor Dentium [135 words]Pied PiperMar 6, 2012 12:53193356
2Malleus maleficarum Arabicus [646 words]IanusMar 6, 2012 23:14193356
Cutting One's Teeth on Biblical Translations [208 words]M. ToveyMar 8, 2012 17:36193356
Ego Sum Princeps Arabicus et Super Grammaticam [191 words]Pied PiperMar 11, 2012 16:05193356
So - Not in Latin Then [681 words]M. ToveyMar 12, 2012 19:09193356
1Manipulating the U. N. is Unconstitutional [886 words]M. ToveyFeb 13, 2012 12:03193351
Thanks for source of UN power and Question [105 words]Dr Bryan PoulinFeb 10, 2012 14:05193278
2We cannot put Sanctity of All Lives on the back burner in the U.N. [65 words]Michael Hanni MorcosFeb 11, 2012 23:14193278
Toothless [316 words]AEBFeb 10, 2012 14:04193277
permanent organizations and UN authority [127 words]mythFeb 9, 2012 12:56193251
4Won't "an organization of only democratically-elected governments" be the accuser,the judge and the executioner in one person? [568 words]IanusFeb 9, 2012 11:42193248
Follow that Light [40 words]Jay1Feb 8, 2012 19:58193228
That Light? It Needs to be Relit First. [370 words]M. ToveyFeb 9, 2012 18:52193228
2The UN a shameful organization [495 words]NuritGFeb 8, 2012 16:43193219
Hey UN.Go away already. [94 words]batya daganFeb 8, 2012 16:39193218
Worthless Trash= The U.N. [8 words]Sandra DeeOct 24, 2014 11:25193218
A man can always turn around if he finds he's gone in the wrong direction. [1 words]Abu NudnikFeb 8, 2012 11:18193202
UN power goals [105 words]lily flacksFeb 8, 2012 05:30193193
2How many times did George H W Bush utter the phrase 'new world order'? Too many, but few had a clue.... [39 words]Adina Kutnicki, IsraelFeb 8, 2012 05:25193192
an observation [293 words]Peter HerzFeb 18, 2012 22:44193192

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