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Message to Reem and Hamza Yousif
Reader comment on article: [Finding Moderate Muslims:] Do you believe in modernity?
in response to reader comment: Feed the brain well

Submitted by Ashoorina (Canada), Dec 16, 2004 at 17:11

Dear Reem:
if you were a moderate Muslim then you would know why every crime is related to Islam religion..! read the following stories and and get informed.
I have here attached some stories about the crimes that are going on in all muslim countries every day, if not every few hours.
These crimes against Christians because of religion, and thousands of other crimes (sexual, money, theft, killing….etc.) among muslims against each other is there everyday,
but because there is no freedom of speech or media in muslim countries, so no one knows about it, they are hidden and covered, and if you search for the background of 90% of these crimes, you will find that the reason is always the Islam Shari'a, and as you know in muslim countries religion interferes in law and government.

can you tell me, why muslim in all different muslim countries are behaving same way of persecution towards other religions?, especially Christians, mostly Christians live in most of those muslim countries, for example: a muslim of Egypt is not related by any mean with the muslim of Pakistan or of Nigeria or of Indonesia and so on, but the only common thing between all of them is the Qura'n and the Islam, so don't you thing the Islam religion is the reason of all haterd.
Excuse me dear Reem, in the holy Gospel is never mentioned about killing or hating other religions, or to rape other religion's wives as it is mentioned in Qura'n, that is why the crimes happened in western counties are not by any mean related to Christianity and they will never.
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Rape and torture empties the villages

John Vidal
Monday July 21, 2003
The Guardian

Purnima Rani, a 12-year-old Hindu girl, is terrified and breaks down frequently as she describes what happened 18 months ago in the village of Perba Delua in Bangladesh.
"Nearly 30 people came to our house. I recognised many of them as my neighbours. They beat my mother almost senseless. I begged them to stop. They dragged me outside. I resisted but they hit me with sticks. I shouted to my sister to save me but they beat her too. I cannot tell you what happened next."
Purnima was gang-raped and her family found her unconscious three hours later in a field a mile from the village. Four young men, all supporters of the government and its coalition partner, the fundamentalist Jamaati-e-Islami party, were arrested but have not been charged.
But the ordeal did not stop there. The family's hairdressing business was twice looted, her elder brother was beaten and is expected to lose his sight, and they have now all fled the village after threats that they would be killed.
Her father has been offered bribes to drop the case and Purnima, one of the few victims of Bangladeshi sectarian violence who is prepared to talk openly, is now in hiding. "I want justice, not money," she says.
Serious attacks on and persecution of religious minorities by Islamic fundamentalists are increasing, and despite a detailed dossier on 18 months of persecution of religious minorities, and women in particular, the British government calls Bangladesh a "generally safe" country. Amnesty International says this makes "no sense".
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EGYPT 6 May 2004

Police Officer Murders Three Christians

A police officer in El Minia, Egypt, drove a truck into a canal killing three of his five bound prisoners, including an elderly church leader.

The police officer arrested five Christians in the early hours of Sunday 2 May in the village of Taha El Amada, El Minia. Sixty-four year old Father Ibrahim Mikhaeil and four others were charged with the unlawful construction of a church fence. Part of the fence had collapsed during a storm and the five men attempted to mend it as soon as possible, concerned that, given the opportunity, local officials would stall and possibly halt its rebuilding. Obstruction and the refusal to grant permits for church repairs is a recurring problem in Egypt.

The officer, named Ahmed Kelani, went to the church at 1 a.m. after a Muslim villager informed the police station of the efforts of the five men to repair the fence. The arrested men were bound and placed in the back of a rented vehicle. Officer Kelani ordered the vehicle's driver to get out and took control of the truck himself. As the vehicle approached the brink of the Ibrahimiya Canal, Kelani jumped out.

Father Mikhaeil and two other Christians (Mahrous and Nasef) were killed, while the other two remain in a critical condition in hospital. Abuse of Christians by local police officers is not uncommon, but the shocking news of these killings has caused an uproar among the local Christian community. The Egyptian media have reported the event as an accident but Christian sources confirm that it was deliberately arranged.
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PAKISTAN 10 June 2004

Muslim Police Constable Murders Christian in Hospital Accused of Blasphemy

A young Christian man died from severe head trauma after three days in a coma following an attack by a Muslim police constable who struck him with a hammer while he lay defenceless in hospital.

Samuel Masih was hospitalised on 22 May having contracted tuberculosis in prison. Samuel had been detained since August 2003 under Pakistan's controversial "blasphemy law" for allegedly defiling a mosque. In the early hours of 24 May police constable Faryad Ali entered Samuel's hospital room and despite the presence of a police guard assaulted Samuel with a brick-cutter's hammer. Faryad Ali sought to kill Samuel because of the accusation of blasphemy. Samuel went into a coma from which he never recovered. He died on 28 May.

Faryad Ali said that he felt it was his duty as a Muslim to kill Samuel. He told police, "I wanted to earn a place in heaven." He had previously expressed hatred for Samuel to his colleagues. He was arrested for attempted murder, which was changed to formal murder charges after Samuel died.

The "blasphemy law" is often misused by Muslims in Pakistan to get revenge in personal disputes, especially against Christians who are particularly vulnerable because the testimony of a Muslim in court is valued above that of a non-Muslim. Librarian Muhammad Yaqoob of the Idara Darusalam Jinnah Garden Mosque in Lahore, who filed the charges against Samuel, claimed he saw Samuel spit on the wall of the mosque near the library. Before his arrest Samuel had worked as a painter and whitewasher.

Devout Muslims often feel they should kill alleged blasphemers, whether convicted or not. Four Christians accused of blasphemy have been murdered between 1992 and 2002. Most Christians who have been accused and acquitted have had to leave Pakistan and come to the West after their release because anyone even accused of blasphemy is considered by Muslim extremists to be guilty for life.
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