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in response to reader comment: "All religions cause violence" is a false apology.

Submitted by Ed Melik, Esq. (United States), Jan 26, 2011 at 18:07

True what Mr. Raeeve is referring to "Islamic violence of today"... how many Western countries today are occuping Islamic countries? How many followers of Islam (of all sects) are being slaughtered under the guise of "suspected terrorists"? How many millions of Muslims since last 12 years have been killed and their countries destroyed by the "civilized" "International communities" How easily and swiftly UN's resolutions are executed on Islamic world by the "international communities" vs around 65 UN's Security Council's resolutions passed against Israel and every one of them ridiculed and degraded to calling them "none sense by Israel and vetoed by the US and the so called "international cimmunity" and rest of the mouth pieces of our good old USA? A very few of these facts must open one's eyes to understand why so many Islamists put their lives on the line and fight for their rights. What is the weapon of the supresed, depressed, hopless, and wronged people with no weapons, no political rights, no human rights, no one to address their greiviences etc. etc. etc.?

One thing I learned: no religion is inherently fundamentalist. Yet nearly all religions support fundamentalist sects. Thus, to say Islam is inherently radical is nonsense.

Such a statement would be nonsense in any era, despite the tendency of religion—like politics—to swing from the liberal to conservative and back in great arcs, comprising in the first instance decades, then centuries.

So let's just stop it; stop the rhetoric that Islam is jihad. Islam is jihad no more than Christianity is crusades. The tendency exists in the mix, but that in no way defines the religion itself.

So what drives the radical Islamic impulse? What drives terrorism? Hopelessness. And fundamentalism. The two may be related, but can also stand alone as separate, twin drivers toward violence. In the West, we equate joblessness with hopelessness. So why are we blind to the fact that in Iraq the unemployment rate is estimated to be in the 30 percent range? In southern Gaza, it is estimated at 50 percent. In Afghanistan, still a largely agrarian, tribal society, the measure hardly has meaning, but could probably be extrapolated as somewhere in the 50 percent range.

So you have no job, no money, no food, and you suffer soul-killing political oppression on top of all that. This is the hopelessness of the suicide-bombing teenager, indoctrinated by militants, and set to become somebody by virtue of martyrdom. We need food, yes, but we need identities, too. We need to stand up for our communities, our families, and confront oppression as we see it. It's genetic. Never mind for a moment that someone's facts may be "wrong." If you want to get it, you have to look at the psychological drivers of religion. That is what Mr. McGinnis' class taught me.

None of this is the tenet of any particular religion; this is the violent exigency of living in a country that has no use for you. (Our country is becoming more like that every day when it comes to jobs.) Oil oligarchies don't need vast numbers of people. The populace is extraneous. Oil oligarchies are distortions of the market in the same way heroin use distorts the market for poppies. And in both cases, a class of thugs evolves to protect the asset. Warlords. Warlords have nothing to do with religion though they mostly all practice a religion, as did the Nazis, who practiced "ours."

Fundamentalism arises from a different set of forces; it is a reaction to rapid, poorly understood change of a type that displaces human value or values—as in the value of being a person. A layed-off factory worker feels this displacement as acutely as a resident of a refugee camp on the West Bank. But it doesn't have to be economic change that fuels the impetus toward fundamentalism, it can be an inherent tension within dominant values of a culture, such the issue of women's identities as independent sexual beings versus chattel in Islam, or abortion and gay marriage to the conservative Christian. And I never said that religion has nothing to do with superstition. I never said I agreed with Islam. Or Christianity. That wasn't the point.

These displacements nonetheless tend to bring every kook out of the woodwork, such as Glenn Beck, who would argue, as a Mormon, for a "return" to Christian Nationalism, while standing on the steps where a great man once said, "I have a dream."

Interestingly, you don't have to be economically displaced to become a fundamentalist. Look at the radical Orthodox Jewish settlers on the West Bank. They are well-bankrolled, and from the United States, and from the U.S. government if you stretch it, to flout the notion of peaceful coexistence in the name of fundamentalist orthodoxy.

The devaluation of entire nations of people across a broad swath of the oil-producing world combined with an accelerating pace of cultural and economic change put hopelessness and fundamentalism in the driver's seat in parts of the Muslim world. That rage is export-oriented. It seems the displacement felt by radicalized Muslims in London is no less—(and is in some respects amplified by in-your-face cultural disparities)—than that felt by a Palestinian who has now been displaced some two generations—from what he saw as his "homeland." How do we know that? Both may be willing to die for a terrorist end.

We have been reminding ourselves of late that you are entitled to your own beliefs, but not your own facts—that eloquent statement by Daniel Moynihan. But we seem to suspend that rule when it comes to religion. When it comes to religion, it is okay to say that the world is ten thousand years old, that dinosaurs coexisted with man, that Eve was made from a rib, and that the Burning Bush wasn't just a metaphor. That was all part of my own struggle with Presbyterianism all those years ago.

Islam offers the same disparities. I don't wish to go into them. (Who needs a fatwa on their list of major life irritants?) But that aside does not prove the point of those who advance the notion of religious intolerance. A mosque, in and of itself, is no more subversive than a Hindu shrine or a Santeria alter.

If we want to make the world a place less prone to the 21st Century version of tribal warfare we need to confront hopelessness—all people need a purpose. And we need to confront fundamentalism—not by arresting change, that is impossible—but by confronting proprietary facts that we know to be false. One of those is the notion that Islam is radical.

Perhaps it should go something like this: Religions don't kill people. People who distort religion to violent ends kill people.

Islam is no more inclined to terrorism than any other monotheistic faith. Like its sisters, Christianity and Judaism, it can be both merciful and stern in practice; like them, it also teaches the love of God and the humanity of all mankind, believers and unbelievers alike. In times past, Islam has served as the bedrock of flourishing, tolerant, and peaceful orders.

Having said that, Kramer went on to say:

But sociologists will say that a religion, at any point in time, is whatever its adherents understand it to be. If that is so, then Islam, as understood by too many Muslims, is in danger of deteriorating into a manifesto for terror. The reason: Too many Muslims have been silent in the face of horrific deeds committed by an extremist minority.

The real "War on Terror," says Middle Eastern expert Jonathan Schanzer, is the "War on Militant Islam"--the latter "a minority outgrowth of the faith" bitterly antagonistic to such Western concepts as capitalism, individualism, and consumerism. Spurning the West and much it offers--save for weapons, medicines, and additional "useful technologies"--militant Islam's goal is "to implement a strict interpretation of the Koran (Islam's holy book) and shari'a (Islamic law)." The major hindrance to the realization of this objective, in the radical Muslims' view, is the United States.

Given all this, what is the difference between Islam and Islamism? Fundamentally, it comes down to a pair of concepts: faith (Islam) and ideology (Islamism).

Islam was born in the year A.D. 610, when the prophet Muhammed received both his divine mission and Allah's commands for a new religion which primarily stressed belief in one God. One of the appeals of Islam, say its followers, is its emphasis on inner strength. "Any Westerner who really understands Islam," asserts a leading Iranian figure, "will envy the lives of Muslims." Muslims believe their faith is far superior to Judaism and Christianity; the latter two, to their minds, are merely "defective variants" of God's best religion--Islam. This supreme confidence is bolstered by Islam's glorious early history. Then, Islamic culture was the world's most advanced. Muslims had the best of everything: good health, long life spans, high literacy, scientific and technical achievements After fleeing Mecca as a refugee in A.D. 622, Muhammed returned there a mere eight years later as its ruler. As early as the year 715, Muslim conquerors had erected a vast empire, whose borders reached from Span in the west to India in the east. Naturally, Muslims concluded that all this meant they were God's chosen people, spiritually and materially.

Yet Islam's "golden age" wouldn't last forever. As early as the 13th century, Islam's weakness and the Christian world's successes were already becoming apparent. Nonetheless, for some five hundred years to come, Muslims were mainly unaware of what was happening in the Christian world. The words of the Muslim intellectual Ibn Khaldun regarding Europe, penned roughly the year 1400, summed up Muslim attitudes about that continent: "I hear that many developments are taking place in the land of the Rum, but God only knows what happens there!"

Such an attitude blinded Muslims to changing circumstances. In July 1798, Napoleon Bonaparte landed in the center of the Muslim world, Egypt, easily subduing it. This was merely the beginning of other assaults that ultimately left the majority of Muslims under European domination, and Muslims wondering why God had apparently forsaken them.

In response to modern setbacks, some Muslims empbraced a radical ideology known as Islamism. Islamism, according to critics, is akin to fascism and Marxism-Leninism. Like those systems, Islamism opposes capitalism and liberalism and seeks their overthrow.

Islamists are hostile to numerous countries. They feel that local Muslim rulers in such states as Algeria, Turkey, Egypt, and Malaysia are doing the West's bidding in crushing their movement. In Kashmir, Afghanistan, and Sudan, they see the West "actively suppressing noble Islamist efforts to create a just society." Islamists feel themselves encircled and frustrated by the West. High on their enemies list is the United States, which, Islamists believe, intends to steal Muslims' resources, take advantage of their labor, and subvert their religion. It is widely held that Washington and Hollywood have united to install the "new world order."

Why is Islamism so appealing? "Rather than a reaction against the modernization of Muslim societies," notes a French scholar, "Islamism is a product of it." As anothert author put it: "Islamism is not a medieval program but one that responds to the stress and strains of the twentieth century."

Islamism is not a reaction against poverty. Quite the contrary: its leaders are often quite modern people, and Islamism appeals mainly to modern people. Daniel Pipes noted in 1998 that many Islamist leaders in Turkey and Jordan were engineers.

Pipes further notes that traditional Islam's goal is to show humans how to live in harmony with God's will, whereas Islamism aims to create a new order. Moreover, where traditionalists study Islam at great length, Islamist leaders know more about the sciences than Islam and use the latter as it suits their purposes. In the same way, Islamists embrace the modern world to achieve their goals whereas traditionalists are repelled by the modern world. Traditionalists look with apprehension at the West. Islamists want to challenge it, and take it over. More moderate Islamists intend to convert the non-Islamic countries they live in through non-violence to their cause.

When the term Islamism first appeared in French in the mid-18th century, it served as a synonym for the Muslim religion, then known in French as mahometisme, the religion Muhammed proclaimed and taught. This signified a new willingness, emerging from the Renaissance, to acknowledge Islam as a religious system with a founder, like Christianity. This view, however, was incorrect in viewing Muhammed as occupying the same position in Islam as Christ did in Christianity. Still the usage gained wide acceptance across Europe.

The French philosopher Voltaire was greatly interested in Islam and occasionally compared it favorably to other faiths. Moreover, he appreciated Muhammed's role in Islam. "This religion," he wrote, "is called islamisme." Voltaire decided that islamisme achieved its dominance "over more than half of our hemisphere" through "enthusiasm and persuasion." Like mahometisme before it, islamisme also received acceptance as a term in Europe.

Still, as Martin Kramer has noted concerning the use of Islamism and islamisme in the 19th century, "First while it reflected a more accurate understanding of Islam's doctrine, it did not exclude critical interpretations of Islam's character. . . . The second point is that Islamism and islamisme did not completely displace Mohammedanism and mahometisme, even in scholarship. . . . Only at mid-century did this usage expire, primarily because Western writers realized that they also had Muslim readers, who resented it." Islamism also began fading from use as the 20th century dawned, as numerous scholars favored the shorter, purely Arabic term, Islam.

The term Islamism was coined to differentiate Islam as modern ideology from Islam as a faith. It became necessary to make this distinction after the Iranian revolution of 1979, which gave rise to the popular use of the term: "Islamic fundamentalism." The use of fundamentalism to describe Islam spread so fast that by 1990, the Concise Oxford English Dictionary defined fundamentalism as "the strict maintenance of traditional Protestant beliefs" and "the strict maintenance of ancient or fundamental doctrines of any religion, especially Islam."

Ironically the more the media embraced Islamic fundamentalism as a term, the more scholars of Islam looked askance at it. Some felt that fundamentalism didn't capture the methodology and style of Iran's revolution and similar Muslim movements. Others, especially those sympathetic to the new Muslin movements, felt the term fundamentalist was unfair to progressive Muslims. Still, there were those academics who defended the use of the term fundamentalism.

France would once again lead in the invention of new terminology. Seeking a word to describe the new Islamic movements emerging in the 1970s, French scholars chose islamisme, first, because it traced its origins to Voltaire, while the American-derived term fundamentalisme, lacked French roots; second, there was some hesitation to using the only French alternative, integrisme, as it retained its initial Catholic framework and was part of continuing controversies concerning authority in the church.

In 1985 islamisme made its English debut. That year Gilles Kepel's 1984 book, subtitled Les Mouvements Islamistes dans I'Egypte Contemporaine, was published in English as Muslim Extremism in Egypt. The English translator had trouble with islamiste, and translated it as "Islamicist." According to a footnote in the translation: "The term 'Islamicist' is used throughout to render the French 'islamiste.' The loan word 'Islamist' did not gain currency until after this translation had been completed."

Islamism received official definition from Robert Pelletreau, Jr., assistant secretary of state for Near Eastern affairs in 1994. Cautioning that "Islamic fundamentalism" had to be employed "with requisite caution," and solely in regard to the wide resurgence of Islam, Pelletreau declared there existed subdivisions in the reawakening:

In the foreign affairs community, we often use the term "Political Islam" to refer to the movements and groups within the broader fundamentalist revival with a specific political agenda. "Islamists" are Muslims with political goals. We view these terms as analytical, not normative. They do not refer to phenomena that are necessarily sinister: there are many legitimate, socially responsible Muslim groups with political goals. However, there are also Islamists who operate outside the law. Groups or individuals who operate outside the law--espouse violence to achieve their aims--are properly called extremists.

The violent acts of militant Muslims stigmatized whatever term was applied. Islamism became another dangerous 20th century "ism" that had to be crushed by the liberal West. Like their Western sympathizers, the leaders of the new Islamic movements spurned the use of "fundamentalism." Initially, Ayatollah Muhammad Hussein Fadlallah, the spiritual mentor of Hizbullah, chose the term "Muslim," then opted for "Islamist movement."

Just the same, Muslims' future actions will undoubtedly give rise to new descriptions of themselves. "The pressures," writes Martin Kramer, "will come from two directions": first, "the theory mills of France," where Islamism twice emerged, in the 18th, then the 20th centuries. A new term, postislamisme, also occasionally known as neofondamentalisme, is gaining popularity now. The speculative intent of followers of postislamisme is not the acquisition of power but converting society to Islam. Secondly, other terms--"jihadism," militant Islam and militant Muslims--have emerged since 9/11.

"Debate over terminology has always surrounded the West's relations with Islam," Kramer notes, "and its outcome has been as much a barometer of the West's needs as a description of the actual state of Islam. . . . At various times, Westerners have needed Muslims to be infidels or believers, threatening or peaceable, foreign or familiar. It is impossible to predict which terms will prevail in the West's own struggle to come to terms with change in contemporary Islam. It will depend on what Muslims do--and on what the West desires."

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2Teaching Arabic to wannabe Arabs [779 words]dhimmi no moreAug 16, 2013 07:25181371
Lost tablighees and wannabe Arabs [215 words]dhimmi no moreAug 16, 2013 07:45181371
al-Falsafa al-Ikhriqiyya and the Qur'an! and the Quranic tawheed is illogical [108 words]dhimmi no moreAug 16, 2013 07:57181371
1Our dear Submitter is editing the Qur'an what a disaster [74 words]dhimmi no moreAug 16, 2013 08:16181371
1This time al-Qurtubi and Q112 [337 words]dhimmi no moreAug 16, 2013 09:54181371
It seems that our dear Submitter disagrees with Allah! [228 words]dhimmi no moreAug 16, 2013 13:31181371
4Plagiarism revisited and Q112:1 [890 words]dhimmi no moreAug 17, 2013 08:18181371
1Revisiting this Quranic disaster [556 words]dhimmi no moreAug 17, 2013 12:40181371
More ignorance [25 words]dhimmi no moreAug 17, 2013 20:00181371
Not very smart to quote corrupted books [67 words]dhimmi no moreAug 17, 2013 20:20181371
1And here is what al-Qurtubi tells us about this Quranic disaster Q112:1 [151 words]dhimmi no moreAug 17, 2013 20:46181371
1More ignorance [126 words]dhimmi no moreAug 18, 2013 11:15181371
Great observation. [18 words]MaryamOct 12, 2013 05:05181371
Factual, huh? [11 words]AllenApr 28, 2014 11:44181371
Ahad [5 words]VMar 27, 2019 06:19181371
False [16 words]AliOct 14, 2019 19:52181371
6Making religion safe [107 words]Ralph C. Whaley MDDec 30, 2010 17:45181370
What's your prescription to make us truly safe Dr Whaley? [1063 words]Lactantius JrDec 31, 2010 15:40181370
Dr. Whaler's secularism [686 words]Erich WJan 3, 2011 23:35181370
What are you talking about? [164 words]Amin RiazFeb 4, 2011 05:14181370
Response to Amin Riaz [134 words]Erich WFeb 4, 2011 19:18181370
COMPARING ISLAM TO CHRISTIANITY [387 words]JACQUES HADIDADec 30, 2010 16:09181367
A jovial instance of modifying Quranic interpretation [175 words]Erich WDec 31, 2010 16:44181367
having more babies [123 words]mikeJan 1, 2011 18:17181367
3Jacques Hadida, you are wrong about Christianity [171 words]IQJan 1, 2011 23:58181367
2violence [414 words]Erich WJan 2, 2011 00:56181367
JAQUES HADIDA, YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT CHRISTIANITY [89 words]JACQUES HADIDAJan 2, 2011 20:34181367
1Jaques Hadida...Christian blind spots [405 words]Erich WJan 3, 2011 21:55181367
Continuing to Make the Mistake About so-called Christian religion and true Christianity [675 words]M. ToveyJan 5, 2011 16:49181367
JACQUES, here is my response [317 words]IQJan 7, 2011 02:06181367
Unicorn or Old Goat? [320 words]TL WinslowDec 30, 2010 14:33181366
contortions are more likely [195 words]Erich WDec 31, 2010 22:56181366
Mr. Pipes, you say: ..."The basis of Islam is warlike, but that doesn't mean it has to be warlike. "... Explain, please ... [23 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
RhetoricalGirlDec 30, 2010 13:13181364
2Pipe dreams... [74 words]ASJan 4, 2011 03:16181364
Touche [45 words]Amin RiazJan 30, 2011 04:09181364
Hey Amin Riaz [98 words]JaladhiFeb 3, 2011 14:42181364
5Moderate Islam is the solution? [90 words]KimDec 30, 2010 12:17181363
2Mein Kampf [180 words]Sir Daniel M.J. TobinJan 2, 2011 10:07181363
2Moderate Muslims...What Moderate Muslims? [194 words]Kim BruceJan 2, 2011 23:46181363
A Nice twist... [58 words]Amin RiazFeb 16, 2011 10:08181363
re. Nice twist [295 words]Kim BruceFeb 17, 2011 01:52181363
1Muslim logic! It seems that Allah is saying that the Jews are his favorite nation and for this see Q2:47 [440 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 17, 2011 06:09181363
A certain lack [85 words]Amin RiazFeb 18, 2011 18:23181363
Delusions of Love [76 words]Amin RiazFeb 18, 2011 18:28181363
christian pope head of Catholocism [24 words]Kim BruceFeb 18, 2011 22:22181363
1But the Qur'an says that the Jews are Allah's favorite nation so do you disagree with Allah our dear Amin? [248 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 19, 2011 06:03181363
1Islamic hypocricy and the Hindu Genocide [137 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 19, 2011 06:12181363
Sweet nothing. [41 words]Amin RiazFeb 22, 2011 22:48181363
Anyone else? [25 words]Amin RiazFeb 22, 2011 22:50181363
Q2:47 says that the Jews are Allah's favorite nation/people! [29 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 24, 2011 07:31181363
The Hindu genocide [40 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 24, 2011 07:32181363
A Question of Perception [8 words]Amin RiazFeb 25, 2011 22:03181363
A Waste of Time [31 words]Amin RiazFeb 25, 2011 22:06181363
3The Hindu genocide part Nth [180 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 27, 2011 07:26181363
3Allah says in the Qur'an that the Jews are his favorite people/nation! [118 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 28, 2011 06:32181363
A Perception of History or Reality - Of the Mind or of the Heart [574 words]M. ToveyApr 4, 2011 17:34181363

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