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Considering the Penalty for Obstructing Jesus Christ and the Acceptance of His People Israel

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Submitted by M. Tovey (United States), Jul 6, 2010 at 16:28

First of all, were I to look at your expression of wishing a happy independence day, and take it the context of your less than appreciative view of America's place in the world, the wonder might be, is there confusion or patronizing in the underlying attitude that belies the greeting. Nevertheless, yes; it was a good Independence Day for some, so thank you. It is too bad the reality of why America came into existence has been perverted by those who hate the United States; and not knowing the real reason why, many will never understand.

As you are a detractor of the American experience, you can never realize the real reason America came into existence. The process of information upon which you have developed your view of America is flawed beyond any ability I may have to re-educate you; and I've not got the thirty years it took me to understand it all to impart the reality. It's really too bad.

If you have not read the letters of George Washington (or of his like-minded compatriots) to the various framers about the heinous activities of the slave trade, then your education of early American history is seriously incomplete. I suspect you do not know the first casualty of the American Revolution was a free black man killed by the British, giving his life for the freedom of others. If you do not have the evidence of Thomas Jefferson's view of the French influences of inciting the indigent native tribes against the non-French settlers long before the battle for Independence from the British was begun, then there is much that needs to be understood before making accusations about someone you obviously know very little about. Neither do I think you understand the reason Jefferson had a Quran of his own was to understand the enemy he faced along the Berber coast. And I would love to know how old you are to remember Theodore Roosevelt's actions, let alone whether or not they were appropriate or not.

Now you continue in your diatribe about things for which you do not have all the facts, and of a preconceived ideology that colors the information for which you still have a ready view. To the converse, I have yet to read of your observation on the questions of Kashmir (much closer to home for you), of the rights of the Sikhs and their frustrations as expressed in the assassination of Gandhi, or of the destruction of the temples by Muslims. Do we now get the idea? There is enough blame of inappropriate actions to go around; America is not alone in this race to the destruction of humanity. Therefore your intention to lay at America's doorstep the blame of all that has happened is misguided at least, and worse, is filled with prejudicial error.

Now let us give a lesson on civics as it relates to America, for it is evident still that you do not understand why America even exists. As has been said before, America was started on Biblical principles, with the admonition that only people who supported those Biblical principles were in a position to conduct the America government under those principles. But sinful humanity being what it is, those that hated the Holy Bible got into the American political arena from the very beginning and began subverting those principles, which as you can see continues to this day; and even is more entrenched than any human can withstand. So what is the governing Biblical principle about government(?); that Almighty God is the originator of government and is in force by His ordinance; and gives the appropriate government to the people to be governed as He sees appropriate. When America's intentions were to be governed by Biblical principles, He provided the blessing for that. When defection becomes the order of the day, what do you think He's going to do? Be careful, for as you condemn America for departing from Biblical principles, what do you think is appropriate for your government if it never adopted such a premise to govern. Then, how about you individually?

You speak of certain Christians standing for Biblical principles, John Brown against slavery (Abraham Lincoln –a born again Christian, by the way-for officially abolishing it and losing his life for doing so), the above mentioned Crispus Attucks, and Dietrich Bonhoeffer (not American, yet not alone in his stance) against the Nationalist Socialists of Germany. What do you think prompted their actions and efforts? Why do you think their actions stood out enough for you to notice, and make these citations? It is the love of Jesus Christ that gave them the courage, the message of the Gospel that gave them their example to be examples for the cause of Jesus Christ. I will try once more to provide an insight as to why this is so.

It is all based on the words of Jesus Christ, and of the love He demonstrated to me and all those who have taken Him at His WORD and believed in Him in faith. He went to the cross and died for my sins, which is the minimal basis for my believing in Him in faith, and not someone or something else.

In John 15:13, Jesus Christ says, Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

In John Brown and Dietrich Bonhoeffer, we see this taken to an extent farther, that they stood against the powers that hated what Christianity stood for, of the Divinely instituted equality of every man, woman and child, and that sinful humanity without Christ worked the evils that we see around the world. There is then the necessity for believing in Jesus Christ as Savior.

In the more modern context, I read where a Security Officer spotted a potential homicide attacker in the streets of Israel. As he, the Security Officer, moved in to intercept and deflect the obvious intention of the attacker to harm innocent civilians, the attacker detonated his vest device, killing himself and the Security Officer. The Security Officer was nineteen. I have no information as to the spiritual proclivities of that young man, but even he demonstrated the Biblical principle as stated by Jesus Christ, even for strangers. Is his action to prevent harm to others any less heroic? To look at the reaction of the Muslims that rejoiced in the death of the attacker for his attempt to instill terror and murder of the Security Officer, one is found to wonder at each of their motives and for me, make the determination that the Security Officer's bravery will have a better read in heaven than the murderer's. Where does your ideology take you on that?

Now, in the same vein that Jesus Christ was tempted to debate the qualities of Scripture in the wilderness, your attempt to use Scripture to justify your position of unbelief fails for the lack of understanding what that specific Scripture means. Mammon in the times of Jesus Christ's first visit to His people (the Jews, in case you have forgotten), was a god of money, and the service to the god was for the sake of money. Thus, you cannot claim to be a servant of Almighty God and then serve Mammon. It is contradictory. Thus, your use is out of context.

So, as long as there are situations where supporting the specific actions of Godly principles by faithful people who follow the Holy Bible as the guide to all things, to Jesus Christ I will endeavor to be obedient. My trust in Him provides that guidance. If you can see enough to understand that the current American Administration is following some other path than as the Holy Bible dictates, nothing but trouble will result, as such judgment requires. For example, there is an attempt for the America Administration to distance their relations with Israel, even as the American Executive meets with Israel's leader as this is written, something many in the Muslim world relish. I do not support that. But the question……idol worshipping, is a long stretch even for human logic for my intention to honor my Almighty God, who gave me salvation through Jesus Christ.

Now as to the question of fear, I have none as it pertains to my faith in Jesus Christ and my expression of His love for others (even as I care about you); that He has promised to be my defender and shield through the power of His love. Does that make me different than the average American? It could very well be, such that I think you have once again, confused the world's perception of just who is a true Christian compared to those who merely take the title for convenience. I do not fear the rest of the world, rather I fear for the world as it propels itself at Satan's whim to its own destruction, and for the people who have refused to believe in Jesus Christ, for the judgment they face for rejecting Him.

Let us digress for a moment and revisit: it is purported by proponents of the Quran that the Islamic Prophet met Jesus Christ in heaven? If such a monumental meeting had indeed taken place, do you, or anyone else think that Jesus Christ would have mentioned it? But He does not; that further, the words of Jesus Christ are dismissed for the premise that the Quran has somehow, someway, supplanted the Holy Bible. The overwhelming evidence is that the Quran does not replace the Holy Bible. You have yet to provide competent evidence that the Holy Bible is anything other than what Jesus Christ has said it is. What do you think He is going to say about why you are calling Him a liar?

I could go on, but why? If you think you do not have enough arguments now to explain to Jesus Christ why you do not want to believe in Him, let me tell you what you have thought so far is sufficient. You really should not compile more evidence of your unbelief. Yet repentence is all that is required to accept Him while you yet can, asking Him into your heart in faith and and belief.

Now again, it is your unbelief that questions Israel right to their own land, of their right to national security, and if the reluctance of the world to accept Jews in Israel altogether. But here again, Jesus Christ tells of the love Almighty God has for the Jews, and that the promise of the law is eternal, for which Jesus Christ died on the cross to fulfill. Failure to understand that, and failing in believing Jesus Christ is a person of His WORD regarding Israel is the source of the confusion to those who cannot understand why Israel even exists today against all the efforts of the surrounding Muslim communities, and even the rest of the world. Israel is your most promising evidence to reconsider, and Jesus Christ is your best evidence to realize that He told the truth, no matter what anybody else has implied or lied about.


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1"under the right circumstances" [141 words]Howard LaitinJun 3, 2010 00:31173770
1Howard Laitin said it right [174 words]TedAug 6, 2010 02:33173770
boycott of israeli products [33 words]mythMay 30, 2010 16:02173547
Israel is other name for freedom [93 words]Muslimk***May 26, 2010 15:49173427
Israel [81 words]concerned americanMay 18, 2010 18:23173021
Turkey as an ally........... [36 words]JosephJun 7, 2010 04:00173021
The Levant in 2200 [421 words]KMMay 18, 2010 08:31172954
an old brave new world [272 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 19, 2010 06:29172954
Just Recognize It As A Country [17 words]Mark D.May 20, 2010 00:00172954
Flags, etc [762 words]KMMay 20, 2010 04:36172954
1Israel , flags etc [1791 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 21, 2010 05:57172954
p.s. [67 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 21, 2010 06:11172954
some in some out [54 words]mythMay 23, 2010 13:56172954
The Origin of Jews, et al [4578 words]KMJul 7, 2010 10:13172954
From Beyond the Rivers of Ethiopia My Suppliants, Even the Daughter of My Dispersed, Shall Bring Mine Offering. [952 words]M. ToveyJul 20, 2010 14:19172954
You see our crooked paths yet the one you walk twists and turns. [289 words]LynnJul 22, 2010 08:04172954
response [72 words]RonaldSep 14, 2010 12:15172954
no historical ties ? [110 words]mythMay 16, 2010 15:27172747
Might as well accept it... [163 words]CW OrangeMay 16, 2010 04:08172741
Why Is Recognition Held Out As So Important Even Compared To Ending Violence? [58 words]MarsdMay 16, 2010 02:29172738
Why is accepting or recognizing Israel so important? [29 words]mythMay 29, 2010 07:17172738
The muslims will never accept Israel as a JEWISH STATE, they have said so, and the koran says so ! [213 words]Phil GreendMay 14, 2010 23:33172713
2The Qur'an is a Jewish Book [104 words]RadiateTruthJun 1, 2010 18:57172713
No surprise [78 words]Katherine McLeanMay 12, 2010 19:15172635
Arabs & Jews in Israel need to know what their scriptures say. [37 words]M.DMay 11, 2010 17:20172585
Re: Accepting Isreal as Jewish State [42 words]AbuuHaleemMay 12, 2010 16:33172585
What "Allah" really said about Jerusalem & Israel. [221 words]M.D.May 13, 2010 11:38172585
1Accepting the Truth of an Israeli Jewish State [385 words]M. ToveyMay 11, 2010 16:51172583
1Pareto principle [129 words]David LMay 11, 2010 15:06172577
Accepting Israel as the Jewish State [16 words]stevenLMay 11, 2010 13:41172572
Going on the "Offensive" [123 words]Susan Heller-SomervilleMay 11, 2010 13:21172571
Response to Susan Sommerville [102 words]Abraham MillerMay 11, 2010 22:08172571
The War Against Israel [42 words]Prof. Paul EidelbergMay 11, 2010 13:13172570
Muslims Accepting Israel ...? [136 words]TL WinslowMay 11, 2010 10:50172566
Israel will Survive anyway IF [256 words]John W. McGinleyMay 11, 2010 10:41172565
State of the Jewish People or Jewish Religion? [231 words]AbbushukiMay 11, 2010 10:07172564
1Accepting Israel as the Jewish State [828 words]Harry LiebermanMay 11, 2010 18:43172564
1Israel is Jewish, Established not by People, But by the WORD of the LORD - Ezekiel 36-37, et al. [641 words]M. ToveyMay 11, 2010 19:21172564
1There is a Jewish People since we, Jews, religious or secular, say so! [176 words]Isaac HaskiyaMay 12, 2010 02:35172564
every muslim knows [186 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 12, 2010 05:19172564
1COUNTER TO NONSENSE [190 words]DEBORAH THE JUDGEMay 13, 2010 14:19172564
To Palestinians(Arabs) Palestine is anywhere Jews live in Palestine but not where Arabs live. [173 words]Harry LiebermanMay 11, 2010 08:39172560
JORDAN IS THE PALESTINIAN STATE [172 words]Ilene RichmanMay 30, 2010 12:59172560
What kind of Jewish state ? [133 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Debanjan BanerjeeMay 11, 2010 08:32172559
More reply to Dr. Pipes [170 words]Debanjan BanerjeeMay 13, 2010 02:10172559
Try a Different Perspective About the Jewish State of Israel [438 words]M. ToveyMay 20, 2010 18:54172559
Dear Mr. Tovey [188 words]Debanjan BanerjeeMay 24, 2010 23:38172559
Jewish Identification Already Determined by the LORD in His Holy Bible [949 words]M. ToveyMay 27, 2010 12:23172559
2Reply to Mr. M Tovey [284 words]Debanjan BanerjeeMay 28, 2010 07:03172559
1Goy ? [99 words]true believerMay 30, 2010 19:20172559
You are terribly wrong on this account [165 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJun 1, 2010 00:40172559
To Repeat that Which is Not Understood About Being Jewish [1188 words]M. ToveyJun 1, 2010 12:38172559
More Response to Mr. Tovey [272 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJun 3, 2010 04:47172559
You insult my common sense [187 words]true believerJun 3, 2010 11:42172559
There is a Separation Required [292 words]M. ToveyJun 4, 2010 18:31172559
More to Mr. Tovey [575 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJun 6, 2010 09:56172559
Continuing from my previous post [223 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJun 6, 2010 23:42172559
Same Arguments - No New Truth From the Quran [411 words]M. ToveyJun 7, 2010 19:49172559
When Jesus Christ Returns - Israel will be Fully Jewish, Ethnically and Biblically [1533 words]M. ToveyJun 8, 2010 13:32172559
More on Quran [408 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJun 8, 2010 23:57172559
More on Why Quran is No Substitue for the Hebrew HOLY BIBLE [900 words]M. ToveyJun 9, 2010 19:02172559
My reply to Mr. M Tovey [357 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJun 10, 2010 00:40172559
The Final Acceptance of the Jewish State is Biblically Mandated in the Love of Jesus Christ [1299 words]M. ToveyJun 10, 2010 19:37172559
My reply to Mr. M Tovey [317 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJun 11, 2010 07:27172559
Answer to Mr. M .Tovey [755 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJun 11, 2010 22:33172559
Faith is the Determinant [940 words]M. ToveyJun 14, 2010 18:25172559
Answers - A Series of Replies - Part One [678 words]M. ToveyJun 14, 2010 19:42172559
My Answers - part One [357 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJun 15, 2010 00:15172559
Answer to Mr. M Tovey [500 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJun 15, 2010 01:01172559
Answers - Part Two [1623 words]M. ToveyJun 15, 2010 19:38172559
Answers - A Third Reply [1355 words]M. ToveyJun 16, 2010 17:56172559
Answers? Seek HIM Who Died on the Cross to Answer the Need for Redemption from Sin [727 words]M. ToveyJun 16, 2010 19:25172559
My Answers - part two [970 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJun 17, 2010 01:03172559
More to Mr. M Tovey - Part -4 [305 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJun 18, 2010 11:28172559
Answer is Still the Same - Jesus Christ Died for You Out of the LOVE of Almighty God [353 words]M. ToveyJun 18, 2010 18:26172559
Our dear Deb and the subject of the so called sacrifice and othere sordid matters [473 words]dhimmi no moreJun 20, 2010 07:50172559
Lay off DNM [186 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJun 21, 2010 00:04172559
Our dear Deb: Why does the calendar of Islam start in 622CE and not in 610CE? any guesses? [47 words]dhimmi no moreJun 21, 2010 05:55172559
Our dear Deb and Islamophobia and we can only blame Him! [169 words]dhimmi no moreJun 21, 2010 06:03172559
More? Understanding The Holy Bible is More Than Debating It; It is Believing It Against Human Logic [1444 words]M. ToveyJun 21, 2010 12:05172559
True Understanding About Israel's Place in the World Requires True Understanding of the Holy Bible - You Want Answers? Guess Where They Are. [1462 words]M. ToveyJun 21, 2010 16:44172559
Our dear deb and one word: FRUSTRATION [261 words]dhimmi no moreJun 22, 2010 05:44172559
Hi dhimmi..its Simon again! [31 words]SimonJun 23, 2010 01:27172559
More to DNM [107 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJun 23, 2010 04:35172559
More Response to Mr. Tovey Part -5 [418 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJun 23, 2010 07:36172559
The amazing Pakistanis and Indian Muslims [42 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2010 17:27172559
So our dear Deb you still did not answer [181 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2010 17:41172559
The Response Should Be to the Truth of the Holy Bible - of Israel's Completed Destiny in Jesus Christ [1272 words]M. ToveyJun 23, 2010 19:33172559
Gem time and our dear Deb [293 words]dhimmi no moreJun 24, 2010 06:03172559
DNM think before you write [242 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJun 25, 2010 00:15172559
More to Mr. M Tovey - Part -5 [294 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJun 26, 2010 04:50172559
our dear deb is saying that killing is evil but his allah says ayat al-sayf says to kill! which one should we believe [417 words]dhimmi no moreJun 27, 2010 06:28172559
The Bhopal disaster and Allah's al-qada' wa al-qadr [203 words]dhimmi no moreJun 27, 2010 08:51172559
MORE? - To Quote Isaiah - Have You Not Heard? [2537 words]M. ToveyJun 28, 2010 16:11172559
Reply to Mr. Tovey - Part - 5 [325 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJun 29, 2010 00:29172559
ON Bhopal [69 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJun 29, 2010 00:38172559
Accepting Israel's Exceptional Status Before Almighty God - America Does Not Replace Israel [734 words]M. ToveyJun 29, 2010 17:49172559
Bhopal and Allah [161 words]dhimmi no moreJun 30, 2010 06:56172559
On Bhopal and Allah [35 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJul 4, 2010 02:15172559
More to Mr. M Tovey - Part -6 [476 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJul 4, 2010 02:41172559
Muslims worry about slavery? Really? al-hunuud al-humr wa al-3abeed and other sordid matters [664 words]dhimmi no moreJul 5, 2010 06:23172559
Bhopal and Allah part deux [270 words]dhimmi no moreJul 5, 2010 07:24172559
My Answer to DNM [89 words]Debanjan BanerjeeJul 5, 2010 23:55172559
Considering the Penalty for Obstructing Jesus Christ and the Acceptance of His People Israel [1860 words]M. ToveyJul 6, 2010 16:28172559
Bhupal and Allah [174 words]dhimmi no moreJul 6, 2010 19:32172559
Christ Jesus is the Cornerstone of a Non-ethnic Building [422 words]BA GriddJul 8, 2010 14:52172559
Full Context of the Promise to the Jewish Nation Contingent Upon Belief, in Jesus Christ's First Visit as Well as His Return [1163 words]M. ToveyJul 12, 2010 12:22172559
There are really three committments for the Palestinians [493 words]Ken Besig IsraelMay 11, 2010 06:17172554
Real challenges in this blighted region [53 words]UziMay 11, 2010 05:47172551
Mutuality [104 words]Cherif El-AyoutyMay 11, 2010 03:54172548
why they do not accept Israel [159 words]mythMay 14, 2010 04:26172548
Dear Daniel, I believe [29 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Sohel Ahmed BahjatMay 11, 2010 03:14172544
State of the Jews vs. Jewish State [54 words]PezDispenserMay 13, 2010 03:40172544

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