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Submitted by Jeff (United States), Apr 6, 2010 at 12:40

Mr. Banerjee,

I didn't know I was an Israeli, thanks for that. Actually, I've lived my whole life in the USA, and have never been to Israel. But thanks for the compliment. But, sorry, I have never read a book handed out by the CIA or Mossad. And I think the Copts are very sad and angry when Muslim mobs routinely destroy their churches, murder them and kidnap their daughters and forcibly convert them to Islam.

The US did not put Mubarak into power. Are you proposing the US remove him, like we did Saddam Hussein? As I recall, the USA did not put Abdel Nassar or Anwar Sadat into power, either. As I've mentioned before, if we try to do business with Islamic governments, then we're propping up dictators; if we remove any, even the most genocidal one, then we're crusader infidels. Which do you prefer? I'm not sure how the USA could possibly force free and fair elections to occur in Egypt or anyplace else. Maybe India should give it a try.

India only imports oil from other democracies, so as not to prop up dictators, do I have that right?

I don't have to show you proof of anything. The simple truth is, we here in the USA have an elected, representative government, which we complain about endlessly without any us being imprisoned or murdered. We call our President a liar and worse, and remain free. We have an independent judiciary and a free press. In other words, a democracy. You can choose to believe, or not believe, the above, it's all the same to me.

Details of American aid to Egypt, Israel and other countries are readily available on the web, Mr. Banerjee, you don't need me to list it for you. I'd be interested to learn about India's foreign aid program, though.

Yes, American Indians lost the wars of hundreds of years ago, and now live with all the rights of US citizenship, or can choose to live in their own sovereign states under their own laws. Very different from the losers of an Islamic conquest, isn't it?

I'm a bit surprised you would bring up the subject of slavery, in view of the millions of African slaves Muslim slave traders imported into the middle east for hundreds of years, and the thousands of Europeans kidnapped by Muslims, who were transported and sold into slavery in the middle east in the 17 and 1800's. The USA outlawed slavery in 1863. Some US states outlawed slavery 80 or so years prior to that. Compare that to Saudi Arabia, which outlawed slavery in 1962 (ostensibly, at least) under pressure from the USA. Imams there rail against the abolition of slavery; why is that, Mr. Banerjee? Because slavery is still legal under the perfect and unchanging sharia. While you worry about what happened in the USA over 150 years ago, when, at its height, about 1.4% of Americans held slaves, slavery still exists today in Islamic countries, like Mauritania and Sudan. Does that worry you? I suspect not.

The My Lai massacre was described in American newspapers (that 'Zionist press') and resulted in a military court martial and a prison sentence. You still have forgotten to answer my simple question, how many prison guards in Islamic countries have been tried and sentenced for any of the thousands of murders that routinely occur in prisons there?

Oh, and of course, Hiroshima. Well that proves, once and for all, the USA is not a democracy. You really are quite a historian, Mr. Banerjee, however, the USA did not, as you imply, just decide for fun one day to drop atomic bombs someplace and randomly pick a couple of cities in Japan. There was a series of events leading up to Hiroshima, of which you are strangely ignorant, events generally referred to as World War II. Japan attacked the USA. Japan attacked China, Korea, the Philippines, Southeast Asia, Burma. They had to be stopped. Ask a Chinese if he or she thinks Japan had to be stopped. The Japanese army killed more people in one week in Nanjing, China with bullets, knives and flames than were killed at Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined. (An event that doesn't seem to bother you any.) Ask a Korean if the Japanese had to be stopped. The entire Korean peninsula was turned in to one huge slave labor camp, from which slaves were exported, never to return, to the expanding Japanese empire. (Another event that doesn't seem bother you any.) The air attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, tragic as they were, were done to eliminate the need of a full-scale invasion of Japan, which would have cost many more lives on both sides than did the bombings. After the war we stayed temporarily and helped to rebuild Japan's infrastructure and economy, and instituted a democratic government. We didn't stay, we didn't conquer, we didn't force anyone to convert to Christianity, nor did we levy extra taxes and burdensome rules on non-Christians. (Not quite like an Islamic conquest, was it?) Why is it I never hear complaints like yours from Japanese people? Why are the USA and Japan such good friends, now and since only a few years after they attacked us and used our POW's for bayonet practice? Why is it, every time I am in Japan, I enjoy the warm hospitality of my Japanese friends and colleagues, and look forward to returning the favor when they visit the USA? Meanwhile, Muslims still whine about wars of a thousand years ago. You could learn a lot from the Japanese and us, Mr. Banerjee. But I doubt you will.

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