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Submitted by M. Tovey (United States), Sep 25, 2009 at 13:32

Let's try this one more time. One of the many reasons there is misunderstanding of what the Hebrew Holy Bible says about humanity and its sinfulness, and the demonstrated need for a Savior to extricate the individual from judgment under those circumstance, is that mankind tries to apply human reasoning, even as colored by the term 'proper logic,' to try and reason away what cannot be understood in supernatural terms. To try and equate Yeshua HaMashiach with the other prophets is a terminal mistake, for of all who prophesied about the revelation of Almighty God to the Hebrews, only Yeshua HaMashiach, Jesus Christ, was, and is able to fulfill the prophecies. He did so in His first appearance, accomplishing the preliminary prophetic establishment of His authenticity as the Jewish Messiah, and in His death and resurrection prepared the remainder of history for the completion of the prophetic passages concerning Him, and of the need for humanity to trust Him at His WORD that they, (all of us) need Him desperately to avert our individual tragedy of going into eternal damnation for rejecting Him.

This reader chose, and still chooses to believe in Jesus Christ as the only and absolute means to achieve eternal life, for no other religious endeavor, past, present or future, has the means to accomplish what Jesus Christ has already done. By the way, it is not this reader's logic that supports this fact of spiritual life, but it is the facts of spiritual reality that gives this reader his life in Jesus Christ, something that the Islamic Prophet dismisses in trying to sway opinion away from the Hebrew Holy Bible.

As to the humanity of Jesus Christ, we have as witness from His mother, from his step father, from the Holy Spirit through the prophetical passages of the Hebrew Holy Bible of His supernatural-virgin birth, giving Him a body that is, at the same time, perfect from His birth(something the rest of humanity cannot attain, no matter what many will say), yet subject to the same infirmities each of the rest of has; including the temptations He endured at the whim of the Adversary to try His perfect obedience to the Father Almighty God: subject even to death, His death on the cross. So, no, Jesus Christ was not a sinner, instead he was only one born sinless for the purpose of being our substitution by dying on the cross for our sins. On the other hand, read the Holy Bible and see that Noah, Abraham and Moses were sinners, needing the salvation of Yeshua HaMashiach just as much as anyone else, as can be seen in their reaction of sinful beings in the presence of Almighty God. They looked forward to the eventual assurance of their own salvation by believing in its inevitability.

Next, the proposition of why there are no Biblically supported reasons for another person after the appearance of Jesus Christ as messenger from Almighty God, again, we must resort to the truth of the matter, that when the Holy Bible presents Jesus Christ as the fulfillment, the COMPLETE fulfillment of all prophetical determinations and revelations of Almighty God, and is the perfect fulfillment of the same, why would there need to be another? Now, as to why the Messiah is Jewish, and not Arab, we have Jesus Christ's own WORD on that, that 'salvation is of the JEWS.' To that end, the entire world is blessed of the Jewish presence; that Jesus Christ is presented through the Jewish heritage because Almighty God said: it is so. No Christian made that up; it is prophesied by Almighty God through the Hebrew prophets.

Now, it is not this reader's contention that the Islamic Prophet could not have met Yeshua HaMashiach. This is not found in the Hebrew Holy Bible; yet the meeting of Paul (Saul of Tarsus) and Yeshua HaMashiach on the road to Damacus is in the Hebrew Holy Bible. It is there because in his Jewish mission to exterminate the beginnings of Christianity, Saul was confronted with His unbelief of the Hebrew Holy Bible and its prophetical confirmation that Yeshua HaMashiach, Jesus Christ IS indeed the Jewish Messiah, and that Paul was in extreme disobedience of the Holy Bible by his previous denial of who Jesus Christ really is. Now confronted with the reality of the Truth of Jesus Christ, Paul was converted, becoming the greatest evangelical Jewish witness of the fact of who Jesus Christ really is. Read the Quran, and it will deny that reality, so it cannot claim to represent an alternative truth.

Next, there is no denying that every human being except Jesus Christ can fail, even when involved in what is believed to be a good act. If any act is not scripturally sound in its attempt, then it is suspect and will come under the scrutiny of the LORD at the time, requiring immediate judgment, or judgment at the convenience of the LORD Almighty God. Remember the Holy Bible is rife with items as you mentioned, such as slavery, long before there was even an America, not because it is Biblically condoned, but because it is Biblical evidence of the sinful condition of humanity. Remember too, that it was the believing Christian Abraham Lincoln that declared slavery in the United States to be against the Divine Law, and that slavery in America was, and is, to be abolished to be in conformance to the original intention of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States.

It the last assertion that Israel is enforcing 'Palestinian' policies in Gaza is not looking at the facts on the ground, that Gaza is no longer Israeli territory. Gaza's current government is in charge of the policies governing the 'Palestinian' situation, from which declared enemies of Israel conduct acts of their own hatred towards Israel in disrespect of the humanitarian situation as a result. Trying to blame the support of any evangelical Christian for Israel's position of Biblical destiny is a result of not believing Israel's destiny as the future place of the LORD's return to Zion, something every evangelical must understand is found in the WORD of the LORD and requires obedience. It is the hatred of the enemies of Israel that drives the political situation, not the Biblical principles every Christian is required to follow to be in obedience to the WORD of the LORD. Remember that the religious influences in Israel are still under an unfulfilled Jewish expectation of Who Jesus Christ is, and that the Christian's intact responsibility to witness Who Jesus Christ really is must be in obedience to the commandment of Jesus Christ; and the true Christian evangelical must be true to Jesus Christ, and no one else. If they do not, then asserting hypocrisy is Biblically correct (See the First Letter of John), but not until then.


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dhimmi no more [1123 words]ahmadzafireNov 13, 2009 18:28
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