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Submitted by kman (United States), May 13, 2009 at 23:54

I am sorry for those of Islam for buying into the the distortions that Muhammad introduced into God's Word.

For the record, I know quite a bit about Islam and their beliefs in the dual doctrines of the Quran. I also know quite a lot of Islam's history both before and after it was re-written by Islamic scholars to make it more palatable to its modern day adherents and the clueless "infidels".

Jesus did not teach respect for figures of other religions. Islam may do that depending on which brand of the Quran you buy into. There are two versions of the Quran that preach contradictory beliefs neither of which ever understood the full meaning of the Messiah's coming. Jesus was quick to point out a lie and hypocrisy.

There are many denominations within Christianity, but they all adhere to the same all important and basic belief.

Jesus taught one belief and only one belief. Love for mankind was amongst his teachings. He didn't preach anything soppy. When religious leaders taught lies or from deception and hypocrisy, he called them on it - adamantly. He accepted death, humiliation, and hatred to pay a one time price for a humanity that failed to live up to the law that God handed down. (That presented a problem because God was perfect in law. That nature didn't allow him to be in the presence of imperfection without destroying it.)

So, Jesus, being man formed by the Spirit of God, and therefore God, also, became the only man (and God) who lived a morally perfect life. That allowed him to pay the price for the rest of humanity - providing that it was accepted individually by each one who would become paid for.

The idea of being a "nice" person and therefore eligible for eternal life in some kind of accpetable eternity is one of the biggest fables of mankind.

The Muslims believe only part of the message from Jesus - belief in God. Some believe in just coasting through life and leaving every one else alone and thinking that buys them accpetance before God or Allah - whatever you want to call him. The ones who wield power are always eventually deceived or bullied into aligning themselves with the militants who believe anything goes in decimating any population that doesn't believe in their "Allah". That opens the flood gates to every imaginable atrocity and heinous act that man can conceive of. That is the history of Islam in a nut shell. We can go on forever with specifics and fill every library in the world if you want with just the last several decades.

There is some "goodness" in the Quran, but Muhammad left out the crucial features that God has always taught. That would be helping the rest of mankind see the pure holiness, love, and truth of God along with God's payment plan. Man's total failure to live up to God's laws is laid out endlessly and in great detail in God's Word. For anyone to think all they have to do is believe in God and be a relatively "good" neighbor is to miss the final and deliberate act of God that gave all mankind the opportunity to see the truth of the "payment plan" - "the good news".

The Jews thought the Messiah would militarily deliver them from oppression when he appeared. That will happen in his second appearance when he defeats the forces of evil. His first appearance was to accomplish a re-teaching of all God's laws and love, and then make payment for those who decide to live for him.

The Muslims either live a closeted existence in their own isolated communities or, when power is achieved, decide to wipe out everything that isn't Muslim in whatever fashion they so desire. Well, not everything. As long as one submits to opression (that Jesus never taught) one can live in some Muslim nations. This isn't any message of love that a God who created man would have. He loves us very greatly and has done everything possible to help his creation see that loveand all truth.

Islam could care less what the rest of humanity thinks until it achieves power.

I don't have to back track very far to find real Islamic history. Weeks and months do very nicely and please don't trot out that old fable of the "few" who commit all the atrocities to the detriment of the rest of you. The rest of you are very quick to attach yourselves to the militants whenever the militants attain political or military power. When you start not only acknowledging the enormous weight of evil perpetrated in the name of Allah and speaking out against it, then you alone may be able to claim some integrity. For now, the vast majority of the Muslims are dead silent about the horrific crimes committed in the name of "Allah".

Point out to me which version of the Quran you believe in and then we'll discuss "facts".

When you can fess up to your own failings as must every human adult, and seek God's forgiveness through his Christ, then you will understand God's ultimate truth and love. His salvation isn't for just any one culture, people, nation, or "religion". You will never get any argument out of me about the moral standing of my nation before God. It barely holds onto any semblence of the "best" nation to live in, but it does do that. So far, I can study anyone's religion and beliefs and decide for myself as an individual (as I will stand before God at the end) what I believe, unlike what the Muslim nations decide for their individuals. That freedom is dying fast right now, and our moral decline is following right along behind. God's truth never dies.

God doesn't put value in humans who are forced to believe in him. He values those who will preach his plan and teachings despite the personal cost. There is a lot of value in the Quran, but its encapsulated whole is designed to blind man of God's true plan, love, and truth. It does that by taking God's greatest message and re-directing it into an alltogether different direction by introducing deceptions and distortion.

I take no personal pride in my God. He took me out of the same cess pool the rest of humanity comes from. His action, not mine. Mind you, I don't take away from those fragments of truth, love, and integrity that DO exist in the Quran. I don't have any love for the mis-direction it takes its believers in, though.

You can produce a math book that teaches 2 + 2 = 4 until you introduce the belief you can add 3 to it and equal 9. The fact that it has partial truth does not mean it has the full and ultimate truth.

Neither America or the English language has any root in the truth. It first came out in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic. That truth was translated into English and then many other languages. The English speaking nations have lost an enormous amount of ground despite the "truth" that is printed in millions of their books. Many of their peoples, though, still hold on. So do millions in many other languages including those few who haven't yet been slaughtered or driven from Muslim lands.

The facts of islamic behavior have been detailed very heavily in past months on this forum. If you care to take a look back, you can spare a lot of back and forth dialogue from the both of us.

I eventually got over most of the rage and hatreds introduced by the mis-fortunes my culture visited upon me. God is working on the rest. You can do the same, but it may mean going against whatever culture or nation you were born into. God will accept no less than absolute allegiance to him despite national or cultural leanings. Note I accept that a measure of "hate" exists within me. I work against it, but fess up to falling short of the perfection Muslims claim, but don't have.

Enough for now. My time is very short and you have claimed more of it than anyone has for some time on this forum.


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Terrorism a curse [15 words]Rex sarwanDec 21, 2016 08:30234797
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terrorism [70 words]chrismartinJun 3, 2009 02:22156596
1Terrorism [275 words]devMay 15, 2009 14:58155486
Dev could you [95 words]JavedMay 17, 2009 16:13155486
javed [53 words]btillyMay 18, 2009 05:29155486
Tell us about peacock throne ? [60 words]SamMay 18, 2009 13:41155486
Ok and the peacock thing [108 words]javedMay 19, 2009 00:29155486
typical islamic style--never answer a direct question [64 words]SamMay 20, 2009 01:19155486
what is your definition of pacifism [130 words]SamMay 20, 2009 01:30155486
Terrorism Reply to Javed [408 words]devMay 22, 2009 14:50155486
One issue at a time "Javed". Take the U.S. in Iraq ...simple, Arabs needed someone to do their for them. [210 words]kmanMay 25, 2009 00:23155486
The Ultimate End of Terror - Is There Escape? [691 words]M. ToveyMay 26, 2009 13:38155486
terrorism has many faces [12 words]jw32181May 31, 2009 18:18155486
U cant hide facts in IT age [111 words]KmanJun 1, 2009 23:39155486
1Ah, the pretender again. Read on for a small sampling of the billions. [1713 words]kmanJun 14, 2009 01:37155486
Dar al Islam [138 words]elleJun 16, 2009 15:53155486
List of terrorism [14 words]elleJun 17, 2009 08:02155486
There's a ton of info here "elle". [142 words]kmanJun 19, 2009 01:06155486
I agree, "elle", with your post. [225 words]kmanJun 19, 2009 01:26155486
re: the limits of terrorism [116 words]racJun 24, 2009 10:19155486
A possible solution [101 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiOct 16, 2009 13:58155486
An attempted definition of Terrorism [453 words]AndyOct 25, 2009 02:38155486
The last two paragraphs speak more to the reality of the Islamic threat in this world than "terrorism". [376 words]kmanMay 9, 2009 02:07155132
Taliban 2 think your way [20 words]javedMay 14, 2009 22:25155132
Trust you? I think not. [944 words]kmanMay 17, 2009 00:48155132
To Kman [62 words]javedMay 17, 2009 22:59155132
Amicus Curiae - The Only One to Trust - Jesus Christ the LORD [546 words]M. ToveyMay 19, 2009 15:50155132
Very well said, Mr. Tovey... [270 words]kmanMay 23, 2009 23:30155132
Many have laughed themselves staright into hell, "Javed". [316 words]kmanMay 23, 2009 23:48155132
Common Belief in an Uncommon Truth [105 words]M. ToveyMay 25, 2009 23:04155132
We do indeed share a common faith & belief, Mr. Tovey. [118 words]kmanMay 27, 2009 00:40155132
Scared of Extreme Islam [86 words]KrishMay 7, 2009 05:35155062
2As with all parasites & cancers, Islam will have destroyed itself before long 500 years,"Krish". [298 words]kmanMay 12, 2009 19:29155062
Extremism Submits to Truth in the Final (Biblical) Analysis [482 words]M. ToveyMay 13, 2009 14:26155062
Terrorism is the end of the act [105 words]JavedMay 6, 2009 07:50155009
1living in the past [177 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 6, 2009 22:19155009
Why? It's the Quran and Muhammad's Teachings [171 words]TruthWFreeMay 7, 2009 11:23155009
You are not informed... [158 words]JavedMay 8, 2009 23:30155009
I'll give you this falafel - if you give me your ..... [911 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 10, 2009 01:30155009
Yes Sufi's are so peaceful---just killed hundreds of thousands of Sikhs/Hindus [163 words]SamMay 11, 2009 17:24155009
in reply to Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan [97 words]JavedMay 11, 2009 23:42155009
There is another source for America's return to economic health. [57 words]kmanMay 12, 2009 19:36155009
You say Chris [34 words]JavedMay 13, 2009 02:03155009
objective fact - Islamic societies in general are backward [1021 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 13, 2009 06:45155009
Are sufis really Islamic? [139 words]B.N.GururajMay 13, 2009 10:43155009
Sorry, "Javed", the Quran came after and fell far short. [109 words]kmanMay 14, 2009 00:03155009
Depends on your political view [110 words]javedMay 14, 2009 01:16155009
You sound ill-informed [17 words]javedMay 14, 2009 01:24155009
Muslims Sufis killed? utter non-sense [79 words]javedMay 14, 2009 23:06155009
"Javed", you will find it difficult to get responses to your messages if you don't address them to me. [74 words]kmanMay 17, 2009 01:02155009
1javed, sufis are not peaceful, they are just as of killers like sunnis, shias, and other followers of Islam!!! [289 words]JaladhiMay 17, 2009 16:43155009
2Ever so peaceful sufis--bunch of crap/myth [187 words]samMay 18, 2009 01:48155009
Where do you read history from ? [191 words]samMay 18, 2009 02:01155009
I thinking i am getting responses [39 words]javedMay 19, 2009 00:34155009
Hindus resisted and survived [107 words]B.N.GururajMay 20, 2009 10:48155009
Engage the Word of Jesus Christ ... [107 words]kmanMay 23, 2009 23:15155009
Simplistic thinking, "Javed". [47 words]kmanMay 25, 2009 00:27155009
Read Ahmed Rashid [55 words]KmanMay 28, 2009 20:36155009
Hard to say who I'm addressing as you used my id as yours...Who's confused? [464 words]kmanJun 3, 2009 20:40155009
By the way, whoever you are, "books" can be written by anyone ... [202 words]kmanJun 3, 2009 22:20155009
1Brilliant Insight [84 words]SidOct 14, 2011 05:28155009
Limiting Terrorism [186 words]M. ToveyMay 4, 2009 15:46154923
M. Tovey (answer to your question) [297 words]InfidelMay 6, 2009 22:25154923
Behind the Shadow of Terrorism [708 words]M. ToveyMay 11, 2009 11:23154923
The Muslims will temporarily "rule the earth", but never the kingdom of God. [86 words]kmanMay 12, 2009 19:45154923
The Muslims will temporarily "rule the earth", but never the kingdom of God [71 words]javedMay 13, 2009 03:03154923
javed, Limits of Terrorism [93 words]InfidelMay 13, 2009 21:10154923
My "hatred" is for lie, deceipt, and deception ... [1382 words]kmanMay 13, 2009 23:54154923
No Threat in the Love of Almighty God - Only in Unbelief [307 words]M. ToveyMay 14, 2009 10:57154923
which version of Bible have u read for 40 years [32 words]javedMay 14, 2009 22:20154923
You don't address your comment towards anyone in particular ...? [74 words]kmanMay 17, 2009 00:56154923
Hey Man you flip through your own history [181 words]KamMay 17, 2009 22:48154923
Historical Human Acts of Terrorism in the Name of Christ are Not from a Loving Almighty God [232 words]M. ToveyMay 19, 2009 12:29154923
javed,versions of my Bibles [123 words]InfidelMay 20, 2009 01:45154923
"Kam", you need to stop reading cultural comic books and get a real picture of what the "west" did. [717 words]kmanMay 24, 2009 00:29154923
Flipping through history, man [545 words]JeffMay 31, 2009 11:34154923
terrorisms invidious behavior modification [92 words]pdmMay 4, 2009 09:59154912
really muslims are terrorists [90 words]shams wazirMay 2, 2009 02:00154810
1Shams Wazir Says... [226 words]orange yonasonMay 3, 2009 00:42154810
the path of delusion [345 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 3, 2009 19:55154810
advanced muslm culture [49 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 3, 2009 20:25154810
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Brazen admission by shams of "Muslims being terrorists for non-Muslims"!!! [168 words]JaladhiMay 5, 2009 15:28154810
1Islam and our dear shams wazir [335 words]dhimmi no moreMay 6, 2009 10:34154810
moderates v. extremists - a question of degree or two distinct critters? [329 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 10, 2009 00:11154810
PR or not PR? [894 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 10, 2009 00:49154810
You forget, Muslim extremists hold power in every Islamic nation, "Nozzi". [171 words]kmanMay 12, 2009 20:04154810
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Max Abraham's study provides frame of reference [421 words]B.N.GururajApr 28, 2009 10:29154600
1B.N.Gururaj Is Absolutely Correct [122 words]orange yonasonApr 28, 2009 18:45154600
You Are Correct (My Opinion) [40 words]TruthWFreeApr 29, 2009 10:33154600
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1TO - B.N.Gururaj; RE- Indonesia [202 words]orange yonasonMay 4, 2009 20:28154600
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1Typical Terrorist Manifesto [492 words]orange yonasonApr 28, 2009 18:14154590
A reply to your delicate thought provoking piece of genius [97 words]huckApr 28, 2009 19:30154590
America Created Osama bin Ladin [601 words]ArlindaApr 28, 2009 21:54154590
of course - it's all THEIR fault. [297 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanApr 28, 2009 22:36154590
HOW TO STOP TERRORISM [153 words]SYED ZAFFAR KAZIMIApr 30, 2009 07:18154590
1daydream believers [52 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 1, 2009 08:56154590
SYED SAYS... [74 words]orange yonasonMay 1, 2009 12:02154590
1Kazimi , are you a muslim or an infidel? [91 words]SunnyMay 11, 2009 16:03154590
The Limits of Terrorism [56 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
S.C.PandaApr 27, 2009 03:25154513
India & Hindus have a few terrorists of their own. [43 words]kmanMay 12, 2009 20:15154513
1Pot Calling Kettle Black! [29 words]B.N.GururajMay 26, 2009 10:31154513
I think,"Gururaj", you had better go back and re-read my little missive - title included. [31 words]kmanMay 27, 2009 00:25154513
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Another Source Of That Quote ... [51 words]orange yonasonApr 30, 2009 17:55154430
We are definitely on notice [20 words]WilksApr 24, 2009 23:33154423
Dissent: Terrorism has indeed advanced the Islamist cause [527 words]Stuart FaginApr 24, 2009 20:02154405
Wish It Were True, BUT [141 words]TruthWFreeApr 28, 2009 12:09154405
RE: Terror's "synergistic association with lawful Islamism" [142 words]orange yonasonApr 28, 2009 19:03154405
Terrorism Has Not Worked ... Yet [62 words]AlApr 24, 2009 16:37154398
Great Article, Thanks to Dr Pipes ! [128 words]Anne-Marie DelcambreApr 24, 2009 11:28154391
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The seven percent solution [117 words]SullyApr 24, 2009 08:53154387
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Shepherds appointed by the wolves [96 words]IanusApr 30, 2009 08:54154370
Good Analogy [20 words]orange yonasonApr 30, 2009 18:35154370
Easing in Islamism [227 words]Rebecca MouldsApr 23, 2009 16:37154369
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Listing of Kach party with terrorism [104 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Oaul DamewoodApr 23, 2009 10:10154357
NO LIMIT OF TERRORISM - 9 [114 words]Mohamad NozziApr 23, 2009 08:34154353
NO LIMIT OF TERRORISM - 1 [531 words]Mohamad NozziApr 23, 2009 07:53154344
Limits? [298 words]JeffApr 29, 2009 10:17154344
What is the goal of terrorism? [392 words]Terrorism works for its protagonistsApr 23, 2009 01:58154330
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Muslim Community and terrorism [323 words]Iftikhar AhmadApr 22, 2009 17:06154299
Stop playing the victim card [174 words]Peter, ScotlandApr 24, 2009 13:09154299
Aren't you getting tired of this Ahmad? [114 words]huckApr 24, 2009 14:15154299
Muslim Alienation vs. Muslim Jihad [456 words]ArlindaApr 26, 2009 20:32154299
So when is the muslim woman going to terrorize the established power structure in muslim countries [24 words]samApr 28, 2009 13:54154299
We are not convinced of Abrahms' argument or conclusion [313 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Barry GoldbergApr 22, 2009 16:17154297
We Agree With Barry Goldberg [158 words]orange yonasonApr 28, 2009 11:35154297
yes, but... [10 words]oaoApr 22, 2009 14:15154295
Oao, Huck, PDM, Carolyn, you're all correct [479 words]JeffApr 24, 2009 20:41154295
An outstanding comment Jeff. A thought regarding the term "Islamophobia" [38 words]huckApr 27, 2009 18:16154295
Hi Huck [32 words]JeffApr 29, 2009 10:00154295
Incomplete conclusions [878 words]Archimedes2Apr 22, 2009 14:10154294
Interesting statement from Dr. Pipes [106 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Debanjan BanerjeeApr 22, 2009 13:57154292
RE: Effective Tactics [77 words]orange yonasonApr 28, 2009 19:45154292
A Complex Question [157 words]AlexApr 22, 2009 12:31154285
DP SITE [17 words]mannyApr 22, 2009 12:29154284
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Terror or Politics? [95 words]Ron IrvineApr 22, 2009 11:15154279
Terrorist tactics don't work? [39 words]pdmApr 22, 2009 09:45154275
pdm [3 words]orange yonasonMay 3, 2009 01:31154275
1Limits of Terrorism [138 words]Ghulam Muhammed, MumbaiApr 22, 2009 09:44154274
Response to Professor Abrahms Study [934 words]Chet LimbrightApr 23, 2009 10:23154274
3Actual objectives of terrorism [97 words]Carolyn TalApr 22, 2009 08:40154271
Carolyn Tal [69 words]orange yonasonMay 1, 2009 13:01154271
Prehaps they're beginning to figure something out [81 words]Seamus MacNemiApr 22, 2009 08:39154270
One problem [86 words]huckApr 22, 2009 07:57154268
Excellent Article. [105 words]SvetApr 22, 2009 05:55154263
The djihadist/islamist divine struggle will lead to nowhere but destruction. [145 words]Isaac HaskiyaApr 22, 2009 05:02154261

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