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Reader comment on item: The Voice of America, Silenced on Radical Islam
in response to reader comment: Plato Sorry my reply was mistakenly reduced here is the original one!

Submitted by the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan (Australia), Mar 27, 2009 at 22:56

Mansoor writes:

".............You raised several points about Taliban. But these are totally one sided stories. Recently Talibani spokesmen revealed that the schools that the world shouts to have been blown up by Taliban were used by Army as their temporary garrisons and they don't want to stop girls from going to school unless covered up in proper way. Moreover, you cannot call real punishment as barbaric. If some culprit is given punishment you cannot call it barbaric. ............…I totally reject your allegations on Talibans."

Coincidentally today - we find 50 more Muslims who have gone to meet their 3600 virgins because of Taliban action in a mosque, of all places. I wonder if they and their still living families would agree with you.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5986036.ece

".. Moreover, you cannot call real punishment as barbaric. If some culprit is given punishment you cannot call it barbaric. We see so many examples around the world where people are either hanged, put on electric chairs, killed by firing squads and lethal fluids injection. Why don't you call that barbaric?? I just call it double standards…."

You must not be aware that the death penalty does not exist in the EU, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and many US states. The big difference is that the death penalty - when it is handed down in those FEW western countries where it still exists - is done so not because of any transgression of any religious or pseudo religious statute. It is handed down by a court of law after exhaustive legal cases where guilt is proven for an extremely serious crime - e.g. homicide , genocide etc. Now that you mention it - the last execution I have heard of was for the erstwhile Imam Samudra and his two Muslim cohorts who were responsible for the murder of over 200 people in Muslim Indonesia.

"You raised the point that CNN or other media giants report as they see. Yeah it is like a statue's look. It can see but it can't understand.

Yes, it can see - but it leaves the interpretation to the viewer. The viewer does not have his/her hand held and told what to believe. Would you rather news vision come direct from a videocamera or go through a Minsistry of Religious Affairs or something?

"In Arabic language there are no reflective personal pronouns, their place is partly supplied by the word "nafs" (a feminine noun, singular). It denotes soul; life; spirit; breath; will; self; an individual, a human being; a living organism, etc. Since this verse deals with the issue of human conceptions within the womb of their mothers, nafs denotes, a living cell - an organism. The word "nafs" is followed by "wahidatin" meaning; one only; single; by itself and that means your creation is "from a single cell". Scientifically the human cell - the basic unit, is a watery, compartment filled with chemicals and has a complete copy of the organism's genome."

So by your own defintions, it could equally just mean an individual soul is in its mother's womb. Nothing about cells at all.

"The word "zawj" means, wife; husband; spouse; companion; one of a pair; consort, mate. The creation of a "mate, of like nature" is a reference to the close pairing of homologs at meiosis."

It is just a reference to the widely held observation that humans of opposite sex have to mate in order to procreate! Even the Arabs had that figured out.

" Biologically it is termed as Synapsis, meaning the side by genetic association of homologous maternal chromosomes and paternal paired chromosomes in the early stages of conception. Chromosome is a microscopic thread-like bundle that carries the genes and other DNA in the nucleus of a cell. Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes, i.e., 46 in all. Half of these chromosomes come from their mothers and the other half from their fathers."

And then you continue to insult your reader's intelligence with 2nd year high school biology - as though no one knew facts. Well, we should be grateful - you've modified your behaviour and don't seem to carry on with your 'crushing the skulls of the infidels' and an 'Islamic volcano of rage' etc . You've learnt that this is a big turn off for people - which is commendable. But another big turn off is quoting simple, widely known facts as though you have some great insight.

"........You shall have to accept the evidence about the judgment day, which Lord gave many times in Quran. Refer this verse for reference........."

The whole concept of the Last Day was taken from Judaism and Christianity which predated Islam by several thousand and 700 years respectively. Their interpretation of eschatology is completely different to and in most cases conflicting with the bizarre picture painted by Islam.

In any case - it's a cop-out to look forward to some event which may or may not occur. You simply do not know. Your future is created by what you do and think in the present - in the current nano/pico/femto second. This is where/when you are alive - and that is the only point from where you can experience life. You need to be as conscious as you are capable of being in the present moment.


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The Voice of America, Silenced on Radical Islam [90 words]u know whoMar 26, 2009 07:04
Why pussyfoot around Islam? [301 words]B.N.GururajMar 20, 2009 10:40
Those who live by political correctness will die by political correctness!! [239 words]JaladhiMar 21, 2009 21:41
how many people will have to die before the truth is admitted? [38 words]jessMar 25, 2009 14:46
Extreme Islamic remarks proudly ranted! [192 words]RockmelonMar 19, 2009 19:24
Do not let them bring you down [28 words]katMar 29, 2009 12:05
WHY criticizing [107 words]k-AliJun 13, 2009 14:22
Do not underestimate the power!!! [999 words]MansoorMar 16, 2009 06:54
Islam is the "wasted sperm", "Mansoor". Follow your own logic (?). [461 words]kmanMar 17, 2009 20:29
Quaint little stories [1481 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMar 18, 2009 01:49
A radical religion [70 words]Michael RightMar 18, 2009 12:19
Know that Truth ( your Allah) is beyond religion & feel free [437 words]raja believerMar 19, 2009 12:46
That which rises shall fall, eventually [153 words]raja believerMar 19, 2009 13:54
you cant stop the spread of islam [127 words]barry soetoroMar 19, 2009 22:25
The alcoholics!! [725 words]MansoorMar 20, 2009 09:19
" the true light which lighteth every man that cometh into the world" [391 words]raja believerMar 21, 2009 13:24
Mansoor: We see Allah's power at work in Pakistan [3221 words]PlatoMar 21, 2009 13:59
Barry Soetoro !!! [285 words]JaladhiMar 21, 2009 20:41
biased opinion vs statistics [264 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMar 21, 2009 23:20
Islam has caste system [128 words]B.N.GururajMar 22, 2009 10:56
Correction, Barry!! [74 words]JaladhiMar 22, 2009 19:36
ready or not, islam will be majority [26 words]barry soetoroMar 24, 2009 06:54
barry soetoro--NO WAY [21 words]btillyMar 25, 2009 10:10
The Voice of America, Silenced on Radical Islam [175 words]u know whoMar 26, 2009 07:22
Plato attention please and all the contributors here! [117 words]MansoorMar 26, 2009 09:37
Plato Sorry my reply was mistakenly reduced here is the original one! [5058 words]MansoorMar 27, 2009 01:08
⇒ stating the obvious [874 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMar 27, 2009 22:56
There is no glory in racist religion>>This will extinct in time [89 words]AngelMar 28, 2009 18:36
Mansoor says "Try to understand that I am not here to degrade anybody or call anybody's religion as Joke", and we have flying pigs in India!!! [1384 words]Proud IndianMar 29, 2009 04:48
Attention please Mansoor - We would be long gone before that escaping the cycle of birth because of our good KARMA [173 words]Proud IndianMar 29, 2009 05:05
Mansoor: Tafsir of Surah 78 [1010 words]PlatoMar 30, 2009 08:52
Mansoor: Check what you teach your children in your madrassas and schools to understand what is happening in Pakistan [5171 words]PlatoMar 30, 2009 08:55
The "power" in impotent. [185 words]RockmelonMar 30, 2009 19:49
Plato my Dear!! [633 words]MansoorMar 31, 2009 05:34
Mansoor: Check what you teach your children in your madrassas and schools to understand what is happening in Pakistan Part II [3202 words]PlatoApr 1, 2009 07:42
Plato- Upside Down!! [160 words]MansoorApr 1, 2009 09:27
Mansoor: Just answer one question: Why does Allah allow sex slavery? [1733 words]PlatoApr 2, 2009 23:04
Mansoor: Try the exercise of editing out the violent and abusive words from the Koran [652 words]PlatoApr 3, 2009 00:32
Plato its for u and those who r unaware of science. [108 words]Usman AliApr 5, 2009 03:31
Usman Ali, a question.. Is our ex president , One of the greatest Indian Scientist APJ Kalam a practicing Muslim? [205 words]Proud IndianApr 6, 2009 10:15
Hey Mansoor, Good News.. Pakistan all set for Disintegration!!!! [457 words]Proud IndianApr 7, 2009 00:57
Usman Ali: The Koran is a book of very bad science and equally silly signs [2032 words]PlatoApr 7, 2009 22:11
The science of engaging the enemy!! [624 words]MansoorApr 8, 2009 01:15
Wake up and smell the Coffee Mansoor!!! Pakistan is finished!!! [718 words]Proud IndianApr 9, 2009 03:43
I don't care... [589 words]MansoorApr 11, 2009 03:39
I know why dont you care any more.. Thats a sign of a defeated Mentality!!! [439 words]Proud IndianApr 13, 2009 01:32
Do you have any idea??? [474 words]MansoorApr 15, 2009 00:35
Mansoor, Pakistan bows to TALIBAN ,signs law to implement Sharia,.. I guess thats just media propoganda or Paki leaders are RAW agents.. [462 words]Proud IndianApr 15, 2009 01:39
I have no idea?? Mansoor, i know exactly whats happening, unlike you who refuses to see the obvious!!!! [911 words]Proud IndianApr 16, 2009 01:44
PAKISTANI SIKHS ASKED TO PAY 20 MILLION AS JIZIYA BY THE TALIBAN!!!!! [259 words]Proud IndianApr 17, 2009 02:47
Proud Indian: Muslims always want to have their cake and eat it too. [120 words]PlatoApr 17, 2009 04:18
You are right Plato, Mansoor, Pakistan is on a Begging Spree [561 words]Proud IndianApr 18, 2009 01:25
Get a solid proof [51 words]MansoorApr 18, 2009 02:15
How can you be proud!! [789 words]MansoorApr 18, 2009 03:24
THIS IS ALL YOU CAN FIND??? AND WHAT CONSTITUTES SOLID PROOF FOR YOU?? [875 words]Proud IndianApr 20, 2009 03:13
WHY ARE THE TALIBAN DESTROYING SIKH HOMES IN ORKAZAI?? OHH .. IT IS JUST A RELIGIOUS AFFAIR .. JIZIYA !!! [155 words]Proud IndianMay 6, 2009 01:33
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Urdu [74 words]Jon-a brit in EurolandMar 7, 2009 08:40
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[w/response] [199 words]
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I see no other way then [217 words]YnnatchkahMar 6, 2009 12:36
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and your points are...? [104 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMar 12, 2009 21:19
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Don't look now [74 words]BarbaraMar 6, 2009 09:38
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Day late, dollar short, U.S. populated by idiots. Check out numbers at any time signed on here. [115 words]kmanMar 17, 2009 19:52
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Indonesian media [18 words]barry soetoroMar 12, 2009 05:30
Probably you are right Barry [99 words]AngelMar 12, 2009 20:31
Barry, kamu seharusnya lebih adil [103 words]valdoMar 15, 2009 09:19
Is this really a big deal? [120 words]Ralph RichardsonMar 6, 2009 09:20

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