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ERRONEOUS PERCEPTION OF THE WEST VS JIHADIST CLASH- IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO ISRAEL
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Submitted by JKF (Canada), Jan 28, 2009 at 23:52

All too many people are attributing the clash between the West and Islamist extremist to the Israeli - Palestinian conflict. My view is that the conflict serves the puposes of many in the ME and beyond. The main-stream, behind the amplification of the conflict, are extremist Islamists that have used their mosques to preach hatred of the West. Why? because a democracy is not the system of government that is a good fit with the rule by the mullahs = a theocracy.

The extreme interpretation of Islam requires the rule by a theocracy, or some person that represents the interests of the theocracy. In such theocracies, no separation of church and state can exist. This fundamental requirement, can not co-exist within a democratic form of government.

The other very critical issue, is the equal status of women and men in a democratic society. This is one of the most fundamental precepts, that is contrary to the fundamental beliefs and values of the Islamists. A democratic system of government does not allow for the unequal status of women; men and women are equal in total status. Poligamy is not legal for men nor women. This fundamental issue, is already under attack in Western societies, by growing muslim populations, to the point that some Western countries, already recognize poligamy, as long as the poligamous relationship was started and legalized outside of the Western country. Essentially the separation of church and state has already crumbled in many Western countries with respect to muslim poligamy.

The other very fundamental issue, is the subjugation of the family to absolute patriarchial rule. The issue of constraining all the family members to the the father's absolute rule is also something that Western societies do not condone.

Lastly, a theocracy, as required by the islamists, can not allow for any other religeous beliefs to be accepted in the theocratic state but Islam. Consequently, a democratic system is not compatible with the theocratic rule. We see that in all the extreme Islamic jurisdictions, the islamists persecute through prohibitive laws, and in many cases through outright terror, through proxy-militias, members of other faiths. All the infrastructure of the other faiths is usually either not allowed, or where it exists, it is outright destroyed. Just look at Afghanistan and the destruction of ancestral Hindu sites; or look at Iraq, and the destruction of christian churches and communities, and even the destruction of Shia and Sunni mosques by extremists of each form of Islam.

The other big stream of anti Western sentiment, is generated by those leaders that do not have popular support; for them the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a diversionary source of focus, of their disenfranchised populations, to keep themselves in power. Saddam was masterful at it; Assad, and the current Iranian leadership use this as a justification for their failed economic and political programs.

If the Israeli-Palestinian conflict did not exist, not one of the above issues, would go away. I do not see a day or a way, that could bring a resolution of these fundamental issues that differrentiate a democracy from an islamist theocracy. Just look at Europe, freedom of speech and the protection of native cultures is crumbling under the onslaught of the cultural clash taking place.

It is unfortunate that some, those on the liberal left, fail to understand the depth and width of the schiasam, between what the islamists want, and that which a democracy represents. Those are the people that somehow equate the terrorist demands as justifyiable, while the needs to defend a democracy, as Israel, as not justifyable. Their lack of historical knowledge, ignorance, of the Jewish people, also results in amplified negativism towards the plight of Israel and its people which are facing issues of survival.

Lastly, anti-semitism is always simmering below the surface of many of the cultural elites; especially in Europe. It is very hard to roll back 2000 years of anti-semitic indoctrination, through outright progroms, stereotyping, church edicts, paintings, caricatures, films, etc.

The fact that many in the democratic party in the US are turning their back on Israel is not only wrong, but it is not justified, and needs to be addressed positively.

BOTTOM LINE- ISRAEL, THE JEWISH STATE, AND ITS PEOPLE ARE IN A VERY DIFFICULT PERIOD OF THEIR HISTORY.


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"Democracy means government of majority but we cant ignore the Minority" [175 words]GudduSep 5, 2009 03:58
Jimmy Carter"s role in the conflict [151 words]Eugene FurbinMar 9, 2009 11:26
RIGHT TO SPEECH / EXPRESSION IS FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT, IN THIS DEMOCRATIC WORLD. [203 words]GUDDUOct 30, 2009 04:17
response to Guddu [316 words]Eugene FurbinOct 31, 2009 06:26
⇒ ERRONEOUS PERCEPTION OF THE WEST VS JIHADIST CLASH- IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO ISRAEL [713 words]JKFJan 28, 2009 23:52
double standard [55 words]barry soetoroJan 26, 2009 18:41
No such thing as a 'palestinian'! [346 words]gordon weareJan 28, 2009 21:09
It sure seems that way doesn't it ? [276 words]gordon weareFeb 4, 2009 01:05
There will never be a president who stood so gallantly w/Israel as Pres. Bush [344 words]vigilantJan 26, 2009 10:21
Bush did what was drafted for him!!! [231 words]MansoorJan 27, 2009 06:15
Excuse me, but the Democrats set the play for economic fall out, whilte Iraq was winning the war in Iraw w/ the SURGE! [275 words]VIGILANTJan 27, 2009 18:21
The current economic crisis [89 words]Straight_Talk_LuigiFeb 7, 2009 12:47
Dr. Obama [237 words]JayJan 24, 2009 15:02
Jewish Voters for Palestine [70 words]TopnifeJan 24, 2009 02:26
Concur with topnife [113 words]froikeJan 27, 2009 11:57
The "Jews" of America have been Americanized to the same vapid jellyfish state as the rest. [13 words]kmanJan 27, 2009 18:10
I agree with your analysis ! [61 words]Anne-Marie DelcambreJan 23, 2009 08:16
I think the "intimidation" factor has rolled in, too. [72 words]kmanJan 27, 2009 17:37
Jews suffered [259 words]Ali AhmedJan 22, 2009 18:57
the Palestinian hoax [112 words]yuval Brandstetter MDJan 25, 2009 12:01
So your solution is the same old one of dividing this microscopically small nation even further... [204 words]kmanJan 26, 2009 23:42
- But God won't allow it - just sit back and watch - [205 words]gordon weareFeb 4, 2009 20:33
Inauguration or 'nelson mandelaism' again ? [263 words]gordon weareJan 22, 2009 16:41
Lesbian Feminist slants. [183 words]gordon weareJan 24, 2009 15:46
Israel, Democrats and Republicans [313 words]Rebecca MouldsJan 22, 2009 14:59
You have to rememer, the LORD God has already laid out plans for Israel. It's the US I'm concerned about! [271 words]vigilantJan 27, 2009 19:00
Wait for the first inning. [84 words]Larry B.Jan 21, 2009 21:58
Democrats and Israel [171 words]ArlindaJan 21, 2009 19:41
Democrats & Israeli liberals [26 words]M.D'SouzaJan 21, 2009 18:00
What Jews Should Watch Out for - muslim demography will start making an impact [102 words]SinghaJan 21, 2009 04:06
Muslim Demography in USA [412 words]JaladhiJan 21, 2009 18:20
Evangelical Christians will outweigh Muslims [26 words]FIKleinJan 21, 2009 20:52
The Holy Bible Reveals Israel Will Eventually Rely on the LORD Alone for Their Source of Strength in the Last Days [408 words]M. ToveyJan 22, 2009 18:41
The time of ignorance [133 words]DonJan 22, 2009 19:03
Keep your Faith Strong [170 words]PeterJan 24, 2009 16:37
This man has got it on the mark!! [97 words]MichaelJan 24, 2009 23:21
You will die with your fear!! [309 words]MansoorJan 26, 2009 06:52
Faith in Jesus Christ and His Love as Prescribed in the Holy Bible Overcomes Fear - Every Fear [500 words]M. ToveyJan 27, 2009 18:11
Mansoor the educator [157 words]DonFeb 2, 2009 20:14
Israel's options. [101 words]Ali AhmedJan 21, 2009 01:43
you forgot the 3 state solution [14 words]skydiverJan 23, 2009 11:14
The Cold War never ended [96 words]S PJan 20, 2009 22:53
Thank you President George Bush [31 words]Larry DownsJan 20, 2009 22:12
While preserving freedom! [53 words]PDMJan 21, 2009 18:26
"Academicians" Are Myopic For The Most Part? [62 words]Renee BouvierJan 20, 2009 18:41
And "students" have been graduating for many years and filling professorial, political, and media positions...What does that say? [21 words]kmanJan 21, 2009 00:23
Graduate students [62 words]BarneyJan 21, 2009 08:56
Barney in Canada on Academics & Academia [282 words]Renee BouvierJan 24, 2009 20:00
"Clueless from Kman" [84 words]Renee BouvierJan 24, 2009 20:14
"Options" can be found wherever you are willing to look [272 words]kmanJan 26, 2009 23:28
a cluless America>> [48 words]vigilantJan 27, 2009 17:12
Kman Sounds Disallusioned [417 words]Renee BouvierJan 27, 2009 17:35
Couldn't agree more - [115 words]gordon weareJan 28, 2009 21:16
Bravo, and who do you suggest to provide the "accountability" and "oversight"? [430 words]kmanJan 29, 2009 01:09
America walking the tightrope - [207 words]gordon weareJan 20, 2009 18:04
You nailed it, "Gordon". [12 words]kmanJan 21, 2009 00:27
Stop blackmailing!! [34 words]MansoorJan 21, 2009 05:16
Television - the font of political correctness. [367 words]gordon weareJan 21, 2009 19:45
The rise of islamic fanaticism in Pakistan. [167 words]gordon weareJan 21, 2009 19:57
Signs of Genetic - Congenital mass Psychopathy. [132 words]gordon weareJan 22, 2009 16:52
GORDAN, PRECISE ON TV VULGARITIES, BUT MYSOGYNISTIC IN FAULTINESS [436 words]DEBORAH THE JUDGE-(NEW HAMPSHIRE)Jan 22, 2009 22:19
May be history has been rubbed off!! [275 words]MansoorJan 23, 2009 15:07
How islam spreads - [103 words]gordon weareJan 24, 2009 15:26
Dream broken!! [263 words]MansoorJan 26, 2009 06:04
obama has over turned everything including Reagans stand of abortion. reducing taxes and whos' suprised?? [269 words]vigilantJan 26, 2009 18:20
poison [301 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJan 26, 2009 20:06
I agree Mansoor, let's send in the bubonic plague to cure the flu. Great strategy! [62 words]kmanJan 27, 2009 00:10
None so blind as - [99 words]gordon weareJan 27, 2009 14:06
Always glad to hear from someone else who has a grip on reality in the Twilight Zone [264 words]kmanJan 27, 2009 17:29
I think,"sissyfication" is a done deal [37 words]kmanJan 27, 2009 17:59
Obama was an organizer and along with his controversial left liberal friends and "daddy warbucks" George Soros, we lost the white house! [186 words]vigilantJan 27, 2009 19:14
'palestinian' social inedequates. [136 words]gordon weareJan 28, 2009 15:15
Know what Islam is about first! [54 words]Muslim manJul 12, 2009 21:25
Obama team not fully committed to Israel [85 words]B crorssoverJan 20, 2009 14:18
President Obama and Israel [42 words]Joe Six-PackJan 20, 2009 19:14
I think Obama is diddling with the U.S. by throwing out all kinds of things for us to obssess over to the detriminet of our awreness of real plan [111 words]kmanJan 21, 2009 00:42
Liberals on Israel [34 words]Richard GranadosJan 20, 2009 13:48
I think the left wing Liberals are going to feed the Israelis to the wolves while we fo0cus on abortion and gay rights activists. [11 words]kmanJan 21, 2009 00:47
Liberals feeding Israelis to the wolves? [64 words]vigilantJan 27, 2009 17:16
Henry Jackson [297 words]Ron ThompsonJan 20, 2009 10:58

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